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To: John Stinnett who wrote (4704)	12/21/1997 8:50:00 PM
From: John F. Dowd	Respond to of 19080

Hey John: Are you the guy I have to blame for NYNEX not being able to get my bills processed in a timely fashion? Just kidding but whatever system they use it seems it still is bottlenecked at the data entry side. When is someone going to come up with a more streamlined bill payment system. Of all the companies in the world you think the baby bells would be able to do that better than the next company. I appreciate your insights into the capability of ORCL. Merry Christmas, JF Dowd

To: John Stinnett who wrote (4704)	12/22/1997 10:36:00 AM
From: Tom Kearney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 19080

John, You have obviously never used Oracle Enterprise Manager. I am doing DBA work now, and for 9 months have been trying to get this product to work. I am on my 4th version, and the errors it produces would be hilarious if the problems weren't so serious. If you schedule exports, OEM can export the wrong data, and overwrite previous backups, erroneously. I have an automated database startup and shutdown procedure I launched last week as a test, that I cannot stop. The OEM has lost contact with it, so this process is running completely out of my control. Oracle support is mostly unavailable these days, for this product, and for many WEB products. Attending a local Oracle conference last month, in a room of 30 DBAs, when asked who was satisfied w/ their support from Oracle, 2 raised their hands. It took Oracle 17 days to repsond to my last TAR, and they didn't have a solution for my problem (and still don't). I hear the last WEB products have many problems, and our efforts so far have not been encouraging. I starting working w/ Oracle 8 years ago because I was very impressed w/ how solid the basic database was, and it still is. The tools you mention, the Developer/2000 suite have been around for 10 years and yes they are finally coming up to par. And, I guess you're just as happy as a hog w/ a turd that you can get these traditional products working right. But, my fear is that Oracle is not sticking to its knitting, being distracted by the silly NC thing. Now they are throwing out a bunch of new products that are not ready for prime time, and MSFT is waiting in the wings to pounce. I hope they can recover. The NCI layoffs last week, were a good thing as far as I am concerned. But, I sold most of my Oracle 6 months ago, not understanding how they could justify a 50 pe. I hope we don't have to wait 5 years for the Web Suite to work right, as we did w/ Case, and Forms. My statements are not out of ignorance, dork. BTW, I don't work in shit, moron. If you're a manager, you probably don't have much hand on experience actually trying to make thses products run. I have put in the thousands of late night hours, that earn me the right to speak authoritatively on these matters.

To: John Stinnett who wrote (4704)	12/25/1997 10:31:00 PM
From: John F. Dowd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 19080

Dear John: Since you ar efamiliar with the application of these data base based systems I thought I would ask. Isn't Oracle 8 fully y2k compliant and if so wouldn't this be a reason for those company's that are in 7 to migrate to 8 rther than patch 7 and wouldn't this be an incentive for others to solve their problems in one fell swoop so t speak. i can't see why y2k hurts ORCL as some have been suggesting. Could you shed some light. I have owned the stock since '90 and it has treated me well but what's going on recently makes me wonder. Thanks JF Dowd