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To: John Stinnett who wrote (4705)	12/21/1997 12:28:00 AM
From: Mac II	Respond to of 19080

John- Thank you...although I really don't know any more about what you're about than ORCL. I'll take your word for it tho - sure sounds like you know what you're talking about. Anyway, I own ORCL stock, don't know zip and I'm sleeping well - even better now thanks to you...niss is bliss! -Mac

To: John Stinnett who wrote (4705)	12/22/1997 9:02:00 AM
From: Michael Olin	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 19080

John, The short version of my resume is that I've been developing Oracle based apps since '85. I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you, but the first release of CDE (before marketing renamed it D2K; I still have my invitation to the rollout of Oracle V.7 also pre-marketing genius O7) was buggy, especially on Macintosh. To combine replys, a reply to my original post suggested that I should be concerned with 8.0 as the current "buggy" server version, not 7.3 or 7.4. The only shops that I know who are willing to bet the ranch on 8.0 are beta sites who get extensive support from Oracle. Everyone else is waiting for 8.0.4 or 8.1. Hey, pretty much the entire pharmaceutical industry (big Oracle shops, real big Oracle shops) is finally moving to O7. Hoffmann-LaRoche just went to 7.1 for many of their production applications. From a technical perspective, I'm more concerned with the stability of the products that people are currently using, not what marketing is pushing. For the people looking for biographical information about Larry Ellison, try the book "The Difference Between God and Larry Ellison". I'm about halfway through it. I find it interesting reading about what was going on inside Oracle while I was working away outside. -Michael

To: John Stinnett who wrote (4705)	12/22/1997 11:19:00 AM
From: Tom Kearney	Respond to of 19080

John, oh clueless wonder - who resorts to personal attacks because his head is so far up where it's not supposed to be - Forms and Reports are not new products. They were weak 6 years ago. The new products are Designer/2000 (getting better, almost usable), and Web products and GUI DBA tools - and these are problem riddled. If they stay weak 6 years, too, MSFT will have their lunch. NT is Oracle's fastest growing platform, and they are overwhelmed w/ support calls on this platform. If you own, Oracle stock anything can happen - I made a lot of money from them 6 and 7 years ago. But, PSFT is a better bet, now. And John, how can you discount someone else's experience w/ this product? You know everything? I think you are a fool who who knows nothing. Good luck w/ your stock - you're gonna be in a hole for a long time.

To: John Stinnett who wrote (4705)	12/22/1997 11:27:00 AM
From: Tom Kearney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 19080

Oracle, decertified by PSFT. exchange2000.com You may also want to check out ORCL post #4681. Oracle has some work to do to recover their former glory. I'm rooting for them, but I won't try to cover up the flaws.

To: John Stinnett who wrote (4705)	12/22/1997 9:32:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 19080

I have to agree with Michael, Oracle occasionally releases premature products, some of these are shipping now. Sure in a future release everything will be cleaned up, but for now, our programmers consider them 'buggy'. We're using Oracle on an NT platform to develop webapps and we're having a tough time in general with remote connectivity issues. I won't bore you with the gory details but just as an example, using Oracle utilities sqlloader from a win95 client to the NT server (about 2M rows every hour), major* problems, it appears that the architecture of the user stack clobbers the 32meg on the client. Running sqlloader on the NT server (256meg) works fine. I don't know whether this is an architecture flaw, or a bug. Also there is a product called Oracle Enterprise Manager which is full of bugs on NT. BTW, this is all going on at a key Oracle partner acct (some new designation Oracle has) and Oracle corp has acknowledged the problems with some of these tools. They obviously rushed some of this NT stuff to market. Michelle (long orcl)