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To: Alan Markoff who wrote (10168)	12/21/1997 6:43:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Oh, Alan, the more you and Nancy refuse to give up, then I feel like I must put in my 2 cents too. Lord Jesus Christ, please have mercy on all here on this thread, and help us to get somewhere beyond the quicksand. Robert, I really tend to agree. I hear Alan over and over and over assuring you that not all Jews read the Talmud. Not all Jews harbor satanic devotions in the their hearts. Many Jews have very sweet personalities, which Alan sees, and knows. I hear Alan assuring you that if a lot of Jews right now seem to be against Jesus and their hearts are hardened--like about 50% of all the people on the American census roles right now, or many, many more than 50% of our total population--he feels that in time God's Holy Spirit will draw them in. What do I hear you say? You love all saved Jews as long as they have no assocation with any living Jew who is not, or else they are tainted with anti-christ and the Talmud by not running down the street n the opposite direction. I hear you say the about all of the Jews in the world are doomed, and are never going to be in the new covenant. I hear you over and over tell Alan he is a traitor to Jesus Christ and is in bed with satan, and you are here to help him out. I'm sorry, Robert. That's what I hear, and I don't hear whatever else you're trying to say. I repeat. I'm sorry Robert. That's what I hear, and I don't hear whatever else you're trying to say. I have my own little pet groups that other people have written off entirely, and I plan to hang around with a lot of them forever and ever as a result of my testimony and the testimony others will bring to them--OH. YES. I THINK THERE IS ALSO A DIVINE AND MIRACULOUS HOLY SPIRIT AT WORK. This is so futile. I hate myself for even entering this miserable debate once again. O.K. Robert. Please. I ask you in Christian Love. Check out the web sits Alan presented, I guess the men there profess to be CHristian, and please tell me if you disagree with any of it. That's a start to break the monotony of the much repeating of the same posts over and over by everyone who is stupid enough not to let this poor dead horse die like everyone advised me to days ago.

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (10168)	12/21/1997 7:21:00 PM
From: Robert E. Hall	Respond to of 39621

Alan, This conversation with you is going nowhere. It is not because you cant see, it is because you will not see. I have stated many times that I love the Jewish people the same as all other peoples and nations. You attempt to re- establish Judaism as an alternate way to God, other than from Gods only way, that being through the " Gospel " of the Lord Jesus Christ. Then, should any true believer in Jesus raise their voices to protest the violation of Gods Word,you immediately slander them by saying they hate the Jewish people, and by trying to associate them with all types of hate groups. Please re-read some of your postings to verify what I am saying is true. I stand by what I have stated to you and to all my brothers and sisters in Christ, the true biblical " Israel of God ". Gal 4:21-31; " Tell me,you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law ?,For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the freewoman. But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the freewoman through the promise. This is allegorically speaking: for these women are two covenants, one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. Now this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and CORRESPONDS TO THE PRESENT JERUSALEM, for she is in slavery with her children. Bur the JERUSALEM ABOVE IS FREE, SHE IS OUR MOTHER. For it is written, " Rejoice, Barren woman who does not bear; break forth and shout; you who are not in labour, For more are the children of the desolate, than of the one who has a husband. Is.54.1 ". And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. BUT AS AT THAT TIME HE WHO WAS BORN ACCORDING TO THE FLESH PERSECUTED HIM WHO WAS BORN ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT, SO IT IS NOW ALSO. But what does the Scripture say?, Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be an heir with the son of the freewoman. ". So then, brethren. We are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman. May the Lord grant you to see CLEARLY this foundational truth according to the desires of your heart Robert