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To: Solon who wrote (68301)	8/21/2015 2:04:47 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

"Murder is not an atheist goal." <What Atheism does, is free the Atheist from all objective moral constraints and obligations to do whatever he feels like doing and can get away with, including Murder. For the Atheist, all Morality is a subjective construct. There are no such things as Universal Human Rights to Life or Liberty, there is no such thing as sin. It is not a coincidence that Atheists who murder their way into power and therefore have no one above them to constrain their evil desires, engage in the kind of behaviors that they consistently do. Those behaviors include murdering and imprisoning of anyone who opposes them or the rape of any woman they find attractive. Who's to say they are Evil? Certainly not YOU!> "LOL! It does nothing of the sort! Free thinkers ground their morality in objective reason and living conditions, based on objective principles of how humans must live to have safety, peace, happiness, and the cooperation of their fellow humans!... all of them generally acknowledge the caring that naturally accrues to families, groups, communities, and nations—not to mention “cultures”. " Says YOU. Other Atheists (you know, the ones that murdered millions of their own people whom they considered enemies or obstacles because it was the rational thing to do) don't share your sentimentality and your unthinking adherence to a Christian view of the value of Human Life. "I am truly blessed and lucky to ground my morality in objective reason and the facts of human existence in communities!!" That "meat machine" you call a brain just spit that out: Really?

To: Solon who wrote (68301)	8/21/2015 3:14:00 PM
From: Greg or e	1 Recommendation Recommended By Brumar89 Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

Atheism has no brakes The 7th Planned Parenthood sting video has been released. Here's a summary: https://stream.org/new-planned-parenthood-video-aborted-babys-heart-still-beating/ https://stream.org/7th-planned-parenthood-video-shows-baby-born-alive-no-defense-left/ Thus far I haven't posted much about the PP scandal. That's in part because it's a developing story, and–relatedly–people get tired of the story if you talk about it too often. Their eyes begin to glaze over and they turn the page. i) In a way, it's hard to know what's left to say about evil when it reaches a certain nadir. The video depicts the vivisection of a premature baby born alive. This is straight out of human experimentation by Nazis on Jews and Japanese on POWs. It's not coincidental that after Josef Mengele skipped the country, he made his living as an abortionist in South America. ii) In attempting to reason with people on moral issues, there are various strategies. We use analogies. But PP is already a worst-case scenario. If some people are too morally hardened to see the problem, what can you say? It's like trying to appeal to Ted Bundy's conscience. There's nothing there to work with. You have no moral leverage. The lever is broken. We compare certain modern atrocities to the Nazis. But, of course, some people were Nazis. Devoted Nazis. So that comparison wouldn't work for them. Imagine the outcry if PP vivisected puppies for spare parts? But many people have already crossed that line. By that I mean, many people care more about puppies than babies. When you describe the video, they just shrug. We appeal to a sense of empathy. How would you like it if someone did that to you? And, indeed, they wouldn't like it if someone did it to them. But that's only because it happened to them instead of somebody else. In their philosophy, nothing is good or bad in general; it is only good or bad for me. You might reply that if everybody, or even most folks, had the same attitude, that would not be good for me. But they shrug. That's hypothetical. They don't respond to abstractions. Unless and until it hurts them, they just don't care. They say the "fetus" is "just a clump of cells." You counter that by that logic, an adult is "just a clump of cells." A bigger clump of cells. How do they respond? They shrug. Yes, I'm a clump of cells and you're a clump of cells, but the clump of cells you are isn't the clump of cells I am, and I only care about me. I care about a clump of cells if, and only if, that happens to be me. If that happens to be you, then you're out of luck! In their minds, if not their actions, many Americans have already crossed the same line as the PP employees. How can people commit or countenance such evil? i) Some people have no conscience. Never did. What they do or refrain from doing is based on what they think they can get away with as well as the approval or disapproval of their peer group. ii) Some people are initially disturbed, but they get use to it. They become callous. Morally and emotionally inured. iii) Some people believe the propaganda, just like some Nazis really did view themselves as the master race. iv) Ultimately I think many Americans have internalized the secular outlook. There is no afterlife. No heaven or hell. So it comes down to getting as much as I can while the getting is good. There is no right and wrong, just winning and losing. Atheism is a car on a hilltop without a parking brake. The only thing that keeps it from rolling down the hill is the wheel chock of Christian culture. Remove that, and watch what happens. Atheism has no moral brakes. Remove the Christian wheel chock, and unstoppable nihilism ensues. Posted by steve at 2:07 PM 12 comments