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To: epicure who wrote (277809)	9/4/2015 2:44:40 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541648

That's right, this country was founded by religious nuts and criminals. Europe exported them to us, and they became our seed stock, while their gene pool improved.

To: epicure who wrote (277809)	9/4/2015 3:18:48 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 541648

"Lots and lots of religious nuts came here- either because they were forced, or because they chose to." We were the end of the west, so they stopped, looked around, and said, "I'm in the land of milk, money, and lettuce prey." Some think they said, "... lettuce spray", so they spray while they prey, just to cover 2 bases. On Sun, they pray, hoping Jesus hits the single that lets them score the winning run.

To: epicure who wrote (277809)

9/4/2015 6:33:24 PM

From: koan

Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541648

Lots and lots of religious nuts came here- either because they were forced, or because they chose to. Which, I've always thought, accounts for some of America's religious nuttiness. And religious nuttiness is behind some of our other problems- especially the inability of some people to disengage from the magical thinking machine in their head. >>

Part of our problem of being so backward, I think, is the lack of cultural diffusion. In Europe people learn from each other, while here we have been hostage to the bible belt for a long time.

I always admired your guts regarding this subject; and I think the problem is really a huge dilemma. While I was gone I was thinking a lot about the evolution of Consciousness. I spent a lot of time thinking about this subject and the primary hurdle that kept staring me in the face was how does one tell this story without offending people about their religion.

You are a good student of history, so if you look at history say starting with the ancient Greeks, what we see to the present day is this constant battle between dogma and knowledge. One of the concepts that I was highlighting was how Darwin's publishing of "On The Origin of Species" in 1859 changed everything.

Before that, everyone on earth, pretty much, had societies based on some sort of gods or spirits that they pretty much just made up. And those gods and spirits had rules and beliefs. When Darwin came along, he showed where we actually came from and what that really meant was that there were no preordained rules.

So we humans had to devise our own rules. In my opinion, what the 60s represented was a sort of critical mass which began with Darwin i.e. enough people finally realized that humans had the right to manifest their own destiny.

So what we should really be measuring history time wise, in my opinion, is B.D. and A.D., before Darwin and after Darwin. In every instance around the world those countries that have substituted education for religion have fared better than countries that substituted religion for education.