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To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (192610)9/18/2015 10:29:39 PM
From: E_K_S  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 206326
 
Ot - New computers in cars/trucks & EPA

This could be a much bigger problem if investigated across all the new american and foreign auto makers. I know my car (2005) Passat diesel is not in the recall group but I believe the 2009 models (in the recall group) was the first year that California allowed new diesels to be sold in the State. I wonder if that computer code was modified for the CA market or if it was installed in every regional market.

I do like that 'other' private consulting firms are analyzing these car/truck computer codes. I suspect a lot more information is being collected that individual car owners are not aware of. GPS, speed, time of day/night and who knows, video from those rear cameras. Maybe the NSA has installed back door code that they can capture and store all this data in one of their databases.

There was also some proposal to charge a 'use tax' on miles driven to supplement the gas tax. New car computers could collect and transmit this data easily. There could be a similar fight like w/ electronic home utility meters for the car/truck.

I suspect there will be more standardization and over sight in these automobile computer systems. It will be interesting to see what changes are made as a result of VW's actions.

EKS



To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (192610)9/19/2015 10:58:56 AM
From: E_K_S1 Recommendation

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  Respond to of 206326
 
OT - Back to the Future: 10/22/1998 - EPA Settlement for exact same software "defeat devises"

DOJ, EPA ANNOUNCE ONE BILLION DOLLAR SETTLEMENT WITH DIESEL ENGINE INDUSTRY FOR CLEAN AIR VIOLATIONS

Total Settlement is Biggest in Clean Air Act Enforcement History - $83.4 million civil penalty
The settlement will resolve charges that the companies – Caterpillar Inc., Cummins Engine Company, Detroit Diesel Corporation, Mack Trucks, Inc., Navistar International Transportation Corporation, Renault Vehicules Industriels, s.a. and Volvo Truck Corporation – violated the Clean Air Act by installing devices that defeat emission controls. The settlement is expected to prevent 75 million tons of nitrogen oxide (NOx) air pollution over the next 27 years; 75 million is more than the total U.S. NOx emissions for three years. In addition, due to the settlement, the total NOx emissions from diesel engines will be reduced by one-third as of the year 2003. The settlement is significant because the companies comprise 95 percent of the U.S. heavy duty diesel engine market.
The complaint alleges that the companies violated the Clean Air Act by selling heavy duty diesel engines equipped with “defeat devices” -- software that alters an engine’s pollution control equipment under highway driving conditions. The defeat devices allow engines to meet EPA emission standards during testing but disable the emission control system during normal highway driving. The Clean Air Act prohibits any manufacturer from selling any new motor vehicle engine equipped with any device designed to defeat the engine’s emission control system. The engines meet the emission limits when they run on the EPA’s 20-minute Federal Test Procedure, but when the engines are running on the highway, up to three times the limit of NOx emissions result.
This settlement is the third significant Clean Air Act settlement with the auto industry in the past three years. In June of this year, DOJ and EPA settled charges against American Honda Motor Co. for $267 million and Ford Motor Company for $7.8 million for selling vehicles with a device that defeats emissions control systems. In 1995, DOJ and EPA settled with GM for $45 million for putting defeat devices in 500,000 Cadillacs, increasing carbon monoxide emissions when the climate control system was on
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It looks like this occurred w/ many U.S. large truck manufactures 17 years ago (1998) where software "defeat devises" were used to trick the EPA emission standards.

VW was just late to the party.

EKS