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NYU Professor: To Stop Climate Change, We Must Genetically Engineer Humans – Make Shorter, Induce Allergies to Meat & Medicate to Create ‘Empathy’

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NYU Professor Center for Bioethics Matthew Liao ( matthew.liao@nyu.edu) proposes 'breeding people to be shorter, something Liao says could reduce our carbon footprint' to fight global warming.

'Liao proposed was an induced allergy to meat, to help people reduce their consumption of animals.'

'The last modification that Liao talks about: empathy. Liao’s idea is to give hormones like oxytocin and seratonin to people, and to perhaps decrease someone’s testosterone.'

By: Marc Morano - Climate Depot

September 29, 2015 5:10 PM
climatedepot.com

Via: gizmodo.com

NYU Professor Center for Bioethics & philosopher Matthew Liao

Listen To Audio: We talk about breeding people to be shorter, something Liao says could reduce our carbon footprint. Smaller people require less energy and use fewer resources, Liao argues. But selecting for height genetically would be a nightmare, according to the most recent paper that Maxmen found there are 697 genes involved in height. Since there’s not a good way to select for height genetically, another method Liao talks about in his paper is using treatments that cause babies to be born light — to have a low “birth weight.” But that comes with a set of very real dangers to the baby, and few mothers would opt to take that risk. Not to mention set their kid up for society’s bias against people (particularly men) who are shorter.

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Another modification that Liao proposed was an induced allergy to meat, to help people reduce their consumption of animals. According to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United States 14.5% of all greenhouse gas pollution comes from livestock. So the idea here is to make people allergic to eating meat. The problem is that there’s no real way to control the severity of the allergy, and the two proteins that Liao talks about targeting (BSA and alpha-gal) are both found in all kinds of places like milk, eggs, dogs, cats and pork. People allergic to alpha-gal seem to be able to eat poultry and fish, but if they were to eat pork or lamb or beef the allergic reaction includes everything from hives to gastrointestinal upset, to anaphylactic shock. Not something most people would want to sign up for.

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The last modification that Liao talks about: empathy. You might remember that just a few weeks ago we talked about empathy on this very podcast! And you might remember that empathy is actually a really hard thing to define. Liao’s idea is to give hormones like oxytocin and seratonin to people, and to perhaps decrease someone’s testosterone. But those hormones have all kinds of effects, and can change people in really profound ways beyond making them a little more amenable to negotiating.

Liao is very clear that he has no plans to force anybody to be shorter or to take Modafinil. But eugenics actually didn’t start out as something that was forced on people — many of the early eugenics proponents were all about choice. Francis Galton, the cousin of Charles Darwin, saw the idea of selective breeding as something that would become a “civil religion.”

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Flashback 2012: Meet Man Who Wants to Engineer a Master Climate Race?! NYU Prof. Matthew Liao: Humans genetically engineered to combat global warming — ‘Pharmacological enhancement’

Flashback: Meet Man Who Wants to Engineer a Master Climate Race?! NYU Prof. Matthew Liao: Humans genetically engineered to combat global warming — ‘Pharmacological enhancement’

NYU Prof. S. Matthew Liao of Center for Bioethics promotes ‘solution of human engineering. It involves the biomedical modification of humans to make them better at mitigating climate change’ – ‘We shall argue that human engineering potentially offers an effective means of tackling climate change…the possibility of making humans smaller. Human ecological footprints are partly correlated with our size…a more speculative and controversial way of reducing adult height is to reduce birth weight…Pharmacological enhancement of altruism and empathy…could increase the likelihood that we adopt the necessary behavioural & market solutions for curbing climate change’

Fmr. Harvard U. Physicist Dr. Lubos Motl Compares NYU Prof. Matthew Liao to Nazis: ‘It only differs from the most perverse medical plans during Nazi era by one detail’ — ‘Mr Liao and his thugs want to exterminate mankind as we know it’

Liao’s ‘human engineering’ co-author Anders Sandberg: ‘People seem to assume we are some kind of totalitarian climate doomsters who advocate biotechnological control over people’ – Co-author Rebecca Roache: ‘Our normally unflappable bioethicist colleagues were shocked by the idea of human engineering, so the wider public was bound to find it ghastly’

Be Afraid, Very Afraid! Prof. Liao wants to drug the public to make them more compliant with his ideology. ‘Pharmacological enhancement': ‘Test subjects given the posocial hormone oxytocin were more willing to share money with strangers…Also, a noradrenaline reuptake inhibitor increased social engagement and cooperation’

NYU Bioethicist S. Matthew Liao again suggests ‘voluntarily’ medicating the public and shrinking humans to make them care more about global warming – Liao: ‘The stuff that we looked at are things we currently already can do. So they are not meant to be very farfetched scenarios. They are meant to be realistic. — ‘Screen for embryos that are expected to be shorter. Another possibility is you can get hormone treatments…We can use that technology to have smaller children’

Master Climate Race: NYU Bioethicist S. Matthew Liao: ‘If you can give something like oxytocin to people, then maybe they’ll be more willing to cooperate, to care more about the environment’

Liao ‘also said taking drugs like Ritalin to enhance cognition may help with the global population problem, since there’s a link between cognitive ability and lower birthrate.’

Analysis of NYU Prof Liao: ‘He has absolutely no idea that he is either immoral or out of his mind. He is clearly both’ matthew.liao@nyu.edu – ‘Liao’s effort to change history, whatever the motivation or lack of underlying knowledge, cannot be abided…It is simply the publication of an academic paper that presages the death of science, and indeed the death of reason, in the West’

NYU Bioethicist Prof. Liao on Eating meat: Seeks to ‘Make ourselves allergic to those proteins…unpleasant reaction…The way we can do that is to create some sort of meat patch’ – ‘Kind of like a nicotine patch where you put it on before you go to dinner go out to restaurant and this will curb your enthusiasm for eating meat’

Liao ‘also said taking drugs like Ritalin to enhance cognition may help with the global population problem, since there’s a link between cognitive ability and lower birthrate.’

Prof. Liao upset about ‘a torrent of outrage and abuse was being directed towards him online…terms such as ‘eugenics’, ‘Nazis’ and ‘eco fascists’ were quickly being bandied around’ – ‘Human engineering': ‘The modifications discussed included: giving people drugs to make them have an adverse reaction to eating meat; making humans smaller via gene imprinting and “preimplantation genetic diagnosis”; lowering birth-rates through “cognitive enhancement”; genetically engineering eyesight to work better in the dark to help reduce the need for lighting; and the “pharmacological enhancement of altruism and empathy’

Warmist Bill McKibben rejects ‘Bioethics’ Prof. Liao’s master race: ‘Worst climate change solutions of all time — I’m with @climatedepot on this one’

Analysis of Prof. Liao: ‘Why pull punches when it comes to saving Mother Earth: If men are bad for the planet, why not suggest getting rid of the bearers of Y chromosomes?’ – Flashback 1984: Futurist Graham Molliter in article on how to feed an allegedly overpopulating world envisioned ‘an outer-limits scenario: using genetic engineering to produce smaller people–who need less food’

Read now: Prof. Liao’s personal blog: Liao brags that ‘Drudge Report also has a link to the interview’ on his new paper

On Liao’s blog, he asks for volunteers for ‘open peer commentaries’ on his Brave New World paper on ‘human engineering’ (accepts blog comments)

Update: Another warmist proposes ‘genetically altering’ humans – ‘What if we put aside the ethical issues’ and allowed ‘genetic researchers to make us more resistant to the effects of climate change?’ – ‘Greener Ideal’ website article ‘Surviving Climate Change – By Genetically Altering You’ – By Jordan Green – February 25, 2014

Read more: climatedepot.com

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Bishop Hill notes: You can imagine the horror on the signatories’ faces when they realised that some very determined people were about to take a close interest in their financial arrangements and those of their colleagues at IGES. I’m not sure taking the letter down is going to help much though. Gary says: September 29, 2015 at 6:17 pm Looks like Trenberth is about to find some missing heat. Les Johnson says: September 29, 2015 at 12:25 pm My personal opinion is (a) that they don’t actually think what they are doing is “bad”. Until its pointed out, which is way too late. (b) They think they are safe, because the opponents are too stupid or incompetent. Or don’t have access to the internet. I will go with (a). Never attribute to conspiracy, that which can be accounted for by incompetence. TomB says: September 29, 2015 at 1:00 pm I wouldn’t entirely discount (b). Living in an area where “everyone’s a progressive” gives me an insight into groupthink. Since they live entirely within an echo chamber and have never, once, ever heard an opposing view – the thought that there might even be an opposing view is foreign to them. As vile and abusive as what you may have read by way of response by a progressive in any online post – it doesn’t even begin to approach the level of invective they use in private. So – yes, they really DO think their opponents are too stupid, incompetent, and nowhere near well read enough, to dispute them. David L. Hagen says: September 29, 2015 at 3:11 pm Lies and perjury as virtue for merit Shukla but takes what he believes is his by any means as a meritorious act! Jagdish means “ruler of the world”, Shuklais a Brahmin name meaning “White”. “Brahmins publicly teach that lies and perjury, if used to gain personal advantage, are virtuous and meritorious”. . . 1. Manu says: ‘Let every man, according to his ability, give wealth to Brahmins . . .such a giver shall attain heaven after this life’ (xi.6). Very early in the statutes, a universal law is proclaimed, the spirit of which pervades the whole code. This law calmly lays down that whatever exists in the universe is all, in effect, though not in form, the wealth of the Brahmins; since the Brahmin is entitled to it all by his primogeniture and eminence of birth. See Hindu Manners, Customs & Ceremonies, by Abbe J. A. Dubois Vuil says: September 29, 2015 at 10:31 pm Having lived in India for a few years I can tell you that Jagadish’s letter- he was the instigator- is standard operating procedure in Indian politics. So are his schemes for securing for himself and his family lucrative incomes. And helping out the extended family in India. It is expected. Jagadish’s is simply bringing Indian political tricks to the US. And that ladies and gentlemen is the glory of multiculturalism. Not only do you get the new people, but you get their political tricks from the old country too. Oh the 21st century is going to be quite a ride. Feel sorry for your kids who are going to have a tough journey ahead into a very different political future. emsnews says: September 29, 2015 at 3:39 pm There is this very old fairytale story about some evil queen or witch or king is asked ‘How do you want (some innocent girl/boy) punished’ and the evil ruler says, ‘Put them in a barrel lined with nails, fill it with tar and roll it down the mountain!’ Then the Good Fairy waves her wand and voila: the evil king/queen is punished in this very same way. So it is with the warmists. They want to punish anyone questioning their crazy ‘research’ but this will backfire in the end. David L. Hagen says: September 29, 2015 at 3:39 pm IGES is now closed Just in time to avoid corruption charges? Gerry Gitchell says: September 29, 2015 at 4:02 pm I was a CFO at a foundation for 8 years and am very familiar with the tax returns. It is always interesting to look at the 990’s. I remember the first one I delved into after entering the non-profit sector after years in private enterprise was the Carter Foundation. I expected that the numbers would prove virtuous and in fact they proved the opposite. After 8 years I came to the conclusion that the businesses that I worked for were more ethical than the non-profits. Not because those at the top were more ethical but because non-profits lacked vested stakeholders to help drive efficiency. I also found that in general those in business had a need to do outside altruism (volunteering) while those in non-profit felt their work was more than enough and that in fact society owed “them” because they were overworked and underpaid having chosen a career in the “common good”. The IGES 990 is so typical of non-profits. As Yogi Berra said “nepotism is ok as long as it stays in the family” Foundations can hire family as long as they disclose it on the 990 and do not pay “excess benefit. Googling a Finance Business Manager http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Finance-Business-Manager-l-Rockville,-MD.html I get an average salary of $77k Looks like the IGES IS paying excess benefits to disqualified people and either has some explaining to do or should revise their tax return Lets say charitably that you argued that Anne’s salary could be $100k her salary and benefits is $50k over that and she would be subject to a tax of 25% of that and the IGES would be subject to a tax or 10%. And considering its gone on for quite a few year’s the Jagdish’s are veritable tax scoundrels 26 U.S. Code § 4958 – Taxes on excess benefit transactions Considering all the good work the US Federal government is doing to combat global warming Jagdish and Anne should be more than happy to pay that for their oversight btw for the comp of Jagdish they have a note that basically says that the IGES auditors approve of his salary and have gone through some process to verify. This is a typical thing that auditors do knowing that the IRS will rarely ever go after the pay of non-profit execs (even conservative ones – they will just revoke the np status)