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To: bentway who wrote (891141)10/2/2015 2:11:37 PM
From: gronieel2  Respond to of 1576972
 
...A veteran who says he was carrying a concealed weapon on the UCC campus Thursday when 26-year-old Christopher Harper Mercer went on a murderous rampage, says he didn’t intervene because he knew police SWAT team members wouldn’t know him from the shooter....

Of course, you don't want to be the good guy if the perp is armed...you could get hurt. A concealed weapon is best for shooting UNARMED folks like a burglar, a peeping tom, a neighbor or a small child chasing his dog.



To: bentway who wrote (891141)10/2/2015 3:07:55 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 1576972
 
"We were quite a distance away from the building where this was happening."

In other words he wasn't at the scene or near the scene when it happened. But in many other cases armed people have been at the seen as either intended victims or initially as bystanders until they responded, and have made a difference.

That's true even of some of the famous cases that helped push the gun control agenda, such as the University of Texas clock tower shooting, where you didn't just have a shooter but a sniper and civilians returned fire causing him to shoot from more protected vantage points that offered him fewer targets, then later an armed civilian joined in the police assault inside the tower.

There are many other cases, sometimes not as famous because the death toll was low, or sometimes the death toll wasn't so low (but likely would have been higher without the armed civilian) but not much attention is paid in most reports to the fact that the shooting was stopped by an armed civilian.



To: bentway who wrote (891141)10/2/2015 3:13:41 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 1576972
 
Mass shootings are not new, neither is there being stopped by an armed civilian (in this case one who armed himself after the shooting started, good thing there was no waiting period)

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GA Man Wounds 20+, Kills 5+ With Double Barreled Shotgun, Is Taken Out by Citizen Armed With Handgun

OK, so I’ve got your attention? That headline, while completely accurate, is from nearly 100 years ago. I’m writing up this old school defensive gun use to illustrate a few different points. First off, I want to point out that mass murder is not a new phenomenon that started when the AR-15 was introduced to the civilian market. Secondly, I want to point out that good guys with guns have always been the best way to stop bad guys with guns. Third, I want to highlight that mass shooting predate the common ownership of semi-automatic firearms. Fourth, it seems that the media has always been a bit off in their coverage of firearms.

Various media accounts have the number of wounded ranging from 20-32 and the number of deaths from 5-7. We thank a diligent reader for bringing it to our attention. It’s always important to look back at history when talking about the present.

On March 6, 1915, a man by the name of Monroe Phillips, who was apparently a well established businessman in Brunswick, GA, went on a killing spree after losing a significant amount of money in a business deal.

The New York Times ran the story on March 7, 1915. You can download the entire article in PDF format from the New York Times archives by clicking this link. According to that article,
Angered by losses in a real estate deal, Monroe Phillips, a lead business man, ran amuck today with an automatic shotgun and killed five men and wounded twenty others before he himself was killed. Phillips was shot dead by E.C. Butts, a lawyer, while he was trying to fire upon citizens who appeared in the street.
First off, I’d like to point out that the gun used was a double barreled shotgun (as mentioned later in the article), but the NYT still referred to it as an “automatic shotgun”. I guess some things never change. Here is more from the article,
Shortly before noon Phillips, carrying a double-barreled shotgun, walked into the offices of Mr. Dunwoody [the business associate who apparently caused Phillips to lose a substantial amount of money]. He fired both barrels into the attorney’s head. The slayer then walked downstairs to the street, where several citizens, attracted by the shots, had gathered. Phillips fired into the crowd, killing L.C. Padgett. He then began shooting into a crowd of men who had collected on the opposite side of the street, wounding several and killing Georgie W. Asbell.

People began running to shelter. Phillips reloaded his gun as he walked to the corner of Newcastle and Gloucester Streets and took up his station in front of a drug store, where he began shooting at every person who appeared on the street. Several persons standing blocks away were struck by stray shots. William H. Hackett was killed as he stepped from a building into the street.

Presently Policeman Deaver came running up to the scene and began shooting at Phillips, who turned his gun upon the officer and shot him dead. A bullet from the policeman’s revolver, however, wounded Phillips.
Enter the armed citizen. This may be one of the first documented defensive gun uses of an armed citizen stopping a mass murder in American history. Despite being shot and despite not having a gun at the start of the encounter, E.C. Butts did what needed to be done. Also according to the NY Times archive,
Mr. Butts, who had been struck by a shot from Phillip’s gun, rushed to a hardware store and obtained a pistol. He began firing at the crazed timber dealer. A bullet from the lawyer’s pistol finally struck Phillips and he fell to the sidewalk, dying within a few minutes.
Interestingly, even though the paper got some facts about the gun wrong, they didn’t jump up to blame the firearm. In those days, the suspect was blamed for his crimes. Also from the article,
Phillips is thought to have become insane because of financial reverses.
Look at that, blaming something other than the gun.

I hope this writeup shows that mass murder is nothing new that is limited to our generation, is not dependent on semi-auto firearms, and, most importantly, just as it was 100 years ago, the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun...

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To: bentway who wrote (891141)10/2/2015 3:14:42 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 1576972
 
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