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To: MCHVE who wrote (68734)10/15/2015 7:56:42 AM
From: Solon  Respond to of 69300
 
“About once or twice every month I engage in public debates with those whose pressing need it is to woo and to win the approval of supernatural beings. Very often, when I give my view that there is no supernatural dimension, and certainly not one that is only or especially available to the faithful, and that the natural world is wonderful enough—and even miraculous enough if you insist—I attract pitying looks and anxious questions. How, in that case, I am asked, do I find meaning and purpose in life? How does a mere and gross materialist, with no expectation of a life to come, decide what, if anything, is worth caring about?Depending on my mood, I sometimes but not always refrain from pointing out what a breathtakingly insulting and patronizing question this is. (It is on a par with the equally subtle inquiry: Since you don't believe in our god, what stops you from stealing and lying and raping and killing to your heart's content?) Just as the answer to the latter question is: self-respect and the desire for the respect of others—while in the meantime it is precisely those who think they have divine permission who are truly capable of any atrocity—so the answer to the first question falls into two parts. A life that partakes even a little of friendship, love, irony, humor, parenthood, literature, and music, and the chance to take part in battles for the liberation of others cannot be called 'meaningless' except if the person living it is also an existentialist and elects to call it so. It could be that all existence is a pointless joke, but it is not in fact possible to live one's everyday life as if this were so. Whereas if one sought to define meaninglessness and futility, the idea that a human life should be expended in the guilty, fearful, self-obsessed propitiation of supernatural nonentities… but there, there. Enough.”



? Christopher Hitchens, Hitch-22: A Memoir



To: MCHVE who wrote (68734)10/17/2015 4:55:55 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
There's quite a few things these creationists don't grasp or understand, it is a unique thing to the provincial literalist mindset of bible belt USA, & the fundamenatlists of Islam. One looks to the majority of Catholic or Anglicans, there is not slightest problem with embracing geological old-earth or biological evolution as the theme of the divine in action, and adapting these new discovered wonders that are inclusionary.



To: MCHVE who wrote (68734)10/17/2015 6:24:28 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300
 
As tigerpaw pointed out, for the first 3.5bil yrs or so it was world of the very small, the microscopic, the single celled bacteria & organisms that ruled. Its mind expanding to remember these multifarious forms from the very beginning had been born but adapted themselves to every kind of concievable envirionment/habitat. Then we see this kind of a 'big bang' of more complexity speciation & morphology occur back 600mil yrs or so, as if such foundations were laid in that long early history before. We know that early cells show light sensitivity, or the complex tiny motors of flagellum, hailing future expression as life starts to really emerge.

One amazing aspect is knowing there were almost total life ending extinction events that resets much of that progress along the way, but some microscopic life always manged to endure. We eventually see this evolution of mega fauna which includes insects,once life does take off wants to go big,bigger & massive, what an amzing story but begins with the very small , microscopic laying the foundations for the first 3bil yrs.