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To: RMF who wrote (895590)	10/22/2015 2:34:04 AM
From: Sdgla	1 Recommendation Recommended By FJB Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573061

JF Kerry .. The dumbest dude on the planet : Kerry: Those Israelis should show restraint ‘from any kind of self-help’ regarding defending themselves POSTED AT 6:01 PM ON OCTOBER 21, 2015 BY MATT VESPA Share on Facebook49 110 SHARES I’m not sure Israelis are going to take the advice of U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, who pretty much told them they shouldn’t defend themselves from knife attacks from Palestinians, seriously–and they shouldn’t (via PJ Media) [emphasis mine]: Appearing at a press conference in Madrid with his Spanish counterpart, Kerry again used the recent spate of violence in Jerusalem to call for a two-state solution. “Security and diplomacy go hand in hand. There is not a time for one and then the other, really there is an importance to both. We want to see calm restored and we want to see the violence stop. And I think everybody in Israel and in the region would like to see both of those things happen,” Kerry said. “We continue to urge everybody to exercise restraint and restrain from any kind of self-help in terms of the violence, and Israel has every right in the world to protect its citizens, as it has been, from random acts of violence. But in my conversations with the prime minister, as well as with King Abdullah and the foreign minister of Jordan, they have expressed the desire to try to see this process be able to find a way of making certain that everybody is clear about what is happening with respect to the Temple Mount.” Kerry added that “Israel has made it clear to me that they do not intend to and have not changed the status quo, and I think it’s important for me to meet with the prime minister and talk about the road ahead.” Right now, Israeli-Palestinian relations are becoming tenser by the day, as innocent Israelis have become victims of almost daily knife attacks. Some shootings have occurred as well. As a result, the Israeli government has eased its restrictions on the permit process for firearms in the country. One must have a permit to carry a handgun in Israel, and the applicant must give a justifiable cause as well. There is no explicit right to bear arms in Israeli law. PJ added that the internal security ministry’s phone service “collapsed,” as thousands of Israelis called to apply for a firearm permit. And it’s not just firearms that Israelis are buying for self-defense (via WSJ): Gun-store owner Itzhak Mizrahi has sold out of canisters of tear gas and electric stun guns after weeks of stabbing attacks by Palestinians against Israelis have prompted many to arm themselves. “Everybody is afraid,” said Mr. Mizrahi, as he sold a customer a Glock 9x19mm pistol for 4,200 shekels ($1,095). “If somebody comes at you with a knife, you don’t want to take a chance about it.” As the bloodshed that has left eight Israelis and at least 35 Palestinians dead—including at least 18 suspected assailants that Israeli forces have killed—shows no signs of easing, civilians across Israel are dusting off old guns and buying new ones to defend themselves

To: RMF who wrote (895590)	10/23/2015 11:05:25 AM
From: TimF	Respond to of 1573061

Apparently you think the MORE guns the better. Probably, but it has little to do with what I was posting. You've been jumping around a bit with your replies. The post that you replied to was responding to 1 - The argument that the 2nd amendment only applies to the technology that existed when the amendment was passed. 2 - Discussion of the "well regulated militia" clause in the 2nd amendment. 3 - Indirectly (and in earlier posts directly) the idea of banning or applying extra restrictions to private ownership of the AR-15 and similar weapons sometimes called "assault weapons" (although the classic definition of that term would be for full auto weapons, some laws have defined the term to include, or perhaps even only apply to, semi-auto weapons that look like military and/or full auto weapons). Nothing in my post was arguing for more guns. I can address that issue now. (Ignoring liberty and constitutional concerns for now) If you could effectively target violent felons for disarming without disarming others, then doing so, and having "fewer guns" would be better. If you could randomly disarm people with no regard to whether or not they where criminals or law abiding decent people, and once disarmed they would stay disarmed, then you would reduce gun accidents (fewer people with guns fewer accidents, you would increase non-gun crime (fewer people with guns to defend themselves), and you might decrease (fewer armed criminals) or decrease (fewer armed potential and actual victims) gun crime. In the real world gun control selectively disarms the law abiding. Of course that's about fewer guns, it could be that somehow we are the "right level" of gun ownership so that even if fewer guns would be worse so would more guns. But probably not. There is point of diminishing and then reversing returns though, where expanded gun ownership gives guns to more people who won't be responsible with them or aren't really capable of defending themselves with one.