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To: koan who wrote (283057)	11/16/2015 8:21:36 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541694

>>The Egyption's had an opportunity to vote in a secular liberal leader and they chose theocracy.<< Yeah, but shortly later they realized their mistake and deposed him. After all, they were brand new at democracy. Now, the military rules them again. Democracy's not for everyone. Maybe even, us. We're pretty much a sham-democracy oligarchy nowadays. Also, most of the world's Muslims don't live in the ME. en.wikipedia.org

To: koan who wrote (283057)	11/16/2015 8:48:46 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541694

Think about it. Millions of kids are forced to memorize that crazy radical ideology from an early age. It is amazing they can do anything constructive. Remember what Ornstein said about the child's brain prunes itself. So when "all" those little kids hear is that radical crazy Wahhabie stuff from a very young age e.g the inferiority of females, and death for apostasy. Well??? en.wikipedia.org ""Wahhabism has been accused of being "a source of global terrorism", [27] [28] inspiring the ideology of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), [29] and for causing disunity in the Muslim community by labeling Muslims who disagreed with the Wahhabi definition of monotheism as apostates [30] ( takfir), thus paving the way for their bloodshed. [31] [32] [33] It has also been criticized for the destruction of historic mazaars, mausoleums, and other Muslim and non-Muslim buildings and artifacts. [34] [35] [36] The "boundaries" of what make up Wahhabism have been called "difficult to pinpoint", [37] but in contemporary usage, the terms Wahhabi and Salafi are often used interchangeably, and considered to be movements with different roots that have merged since the 1960s. [38] [39] [40] But Wahhabism has also been called "a particular orientation within Salafism", [41] or an ultra-conservative, Saudi brand of Salafism. [42] [43]

To: koan who wrote (283057)	11/17/2015 10:16:16 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541694

Who doesn't know this? Aside from some over-liberal people in super liberal enclaves? The problem is, we don't run the world. There are shitty backward people all over the place. We have idiots in this country who think if a woman spreads her legs, or has them spread for her, she must bear whatever child she conceives. It's not like we don't have patriarchal morons here. They aren't allowed to act out- but they would if they could. There are many people in this country who would love a theocracy. So what, exactly, can we say to the rest of the world? Especially with the rate at which we murder each other? We're not exactly a paragon of anything. There are places in Africa where people hack off the body parts of their enemies. Where children are forced into slavery. If Maher wants brutality, the 3rd world is awash in it- and it is the product of poverty and ignorance. And "labeling" in the 1st world just seems like window dressing. They must make a choice to change. We cannot make it for them. Externally imposed change rarely works- unless the population at issue is utterly defeated and compliant (as the Germans and Japanese were following WWII).