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To: Greg or e who wrote (901467)	11/17/2015 1:08:34 AM
From: Bonefish	Respond to of 1575697

I agree and think the time factor is important. Look what we've learned in a couple hundred years. Think what would be learned in millions if not billions of years. In a few short years we have learned DNAs code and how to manipulate it.

To: Greg or e who wrote (901467)	11/17/2015 2:25:54 AM
From: combjelly	Respond to of 1575697

That cause is either Personal or impersonal. There are no other options. Sorta. Depends on what you mean by certain things. But, ok. The fact that the universe contains conscious Persons that can ask questions such as your "How So?" is a very good indication that the cause of the universe is also Personal. Oops. This is not obvious based on the information provided. In fact, there is no reason to believe it is true. It is but faith, not reason. Combine that with the fact that life consists of a precise and complex information code, of which, the only known source is again a Personal conscious mind and we begin to see a very strong case being made that the Cause of the Universe is Personal. Word salad time. This is yet another leap of faith. It seems likely that life arises when conditions are right, and those conditions are not very strict. For life like ours, you need water, an energy differential and materials. There are other possibilities, like based on liquid methane. Granted, so far we haven't found conclusive proof of that, but it is only a matter of time. Take Titan, for example. There are certain chemicals in the atmosphere which should not be persistent. They should have reacted with others and vanished a long time ago. So, they are being created. There is no known abiotic way that can happen. Now it very well may be that there are some catalysts and reactions that we currently don't know. But life as we don't know it cannot be ruled out. As to the complexity, well that has been a historical Creationism argument. Favored examples keep getting shot down. A few decades ago the killer argument was birds. The argument went that bird wings were too complex to have evolved. So they had to have been designed. Then we discovered fossils in China that showed that feathers were present in at least some of what we consider to be dinosaurs, specifically theropods. They could have been useful for maintaining body temperature and probably mating displays. We then found some longer body theropods with feathered forearms. Modeling showed that a low energy hunting strategy would be a run, hop and glide. Not a huge step to run, hop, flap and glide. And eventually eliminating the glide and then the hop. Suddenly, birds... So no, there is no particular reason to believe that the cause of the universe is personal. It isn't impossible, just that it isn't required. And that bring us back to faith. If you want to believe that, fun. But don't pretend that there is any scientific basis for it. Because there isn't. Occam's Razor and all that.