To: epicure who wrote (283537 ) 11/21/2015 3:20:30 PM From: koan Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541851 I am fascinated by tattoos as well. I don't much care for piercings. I think on males the tattoos are the result of the male animal brain making an effort to increase his toughness, to ward off other makes and appeal to females. For females, it seems more varied. I've seen beautiful women, with beautiful butterflies tattooed over the body which I found very sexually stimulating. Other women, seem to emulate the males. A couple of friends I have, both lawyers, have this young daughter whom I really like and we were talking about the movie the warriors. One of my favorite movies of all time. One of the scenes in the movie is about a girl gang called the Lizzie's. The girl surprised me by saying I wish I was one of those girls. She envied their toughness. So much we have to learn about our species. I've always felt that the first thing we needed to know was what kind of animal we are? I've always felt we were never taught that, because the church did not allow us to examine ourselves as an animal. I have a degree in psychology, and the word instinct never once came up, nor did any professor allude to us as animals. I am presently on the Oregon coast with my older daughter, her husband who teaches physics at Portland State and a couple of their faculty friends. One has a PhD degree in psychology. When I posed to her the idea that beginning psychology students should be started out with the context that we are animals, like any other animal, and have instincts that need to be understood. She was taken aback. I asked her, why would we be any different than any other animal? And she physically was taken aback by that question. And then I got the feeling, that she wanted to say because we were created by God. I don't know that, but I could see her struggle with the question and our little get together sort of ended right there and everybody went back to their yurts. I'm the only one staying in a hotel room, LOL.