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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (284662)12/4/2015 4:10:48 PM
From: epicure  Respond to of 541853
 
That's interesting. Thanks for that.



To: Sun Tzu who wrote (284662)12/4/2015 5:56:26 PM
From: neolib  Respond to of 541853
 
Uh? Did you actually read the chapter? The entire thing is about people who did things which were counter to the available evidence because they REALLY believed the God was calling them to do those things. For many of them, they even died without the fulfillment of what they thought was promised, yet they didn't give up pursuing or clinging to the hope they had. If you don't think that fits my description, could you explain.

Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see

What do you think confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see means, other than clinging to a belief when the evidence is not in its favor?

The subsequent examples illustrate that the people DO things based on their strong belief, so that is where I get the part about motivating to action. Hebrews 11 would mean nothing if all the people were arm-chair believers. Belief without action is not faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[ b] considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

However I do agree I had left one important part out so let me rephrase:

Faith is belief in things we desire, despite contrary evidence, so strong that it motivates the believer to action.

I left out the "in things we desire" part before.