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To: Alan Markoff who wrote (79)	12/29/1997 10:45:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 609

Bingo! Very good. How can you come like a thief in the night.... and be seen by every human on earth? How can you be commanded to begin to pray at that time you see things going into the dumpster on a terminal basis, according to prophecy, that as things appear to be reaching a boiling point "you will be accounted worthy at that time to "escape" these things and rejoice! But at the same time realize that all you are really looking at is being tortured to death by satanists and roasting, starving, and being horribly diseased. Like James says, this is not something to rejoice over. And then John suddenly sees a huge crowd in heaven BEFORE anything at all is done to the Earth, and they are all leaping for joy and praising god for coming out of great tribulationo. THen you never see the word tribulation again. That is in chapter 7 of Rev. Then you never see the word again. I personoally worry a lot more about the man who brought a vague reference in Thessalonians to everyones mind and set it there in stone which to me has never made a bit of sense and just talks about the utter end of the earth, period. That is why I posted on Jesus Financial and it was obviously ignored, which is o.k., I sure don't see myself as some kind oof doctrine changer, but it showed me this issue is so clouded that if God set us in a circle and spoke very slowly, most people would blurt: But what about the sentence in Thessalonaians? So, I just hope, and perhaps I will doo it myself, that a coherent study of the other side oof the two things that contradict each other can be studied and if nothing more we would then understand the contradictions more than washing them away with some sentence in Thessalonians, that I have heard quoted for 20 years now.

To: Alan Markoff who wrote (79)	12/29/1997 1:02:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Respond to of 609

><>... Peace and good will to all.Nancy you said."How can you come as a theif in the night on a cloud with great glory?">> satan is the great deceiver, he will appear disguised as Jesus! We were warned in many scriptures. Matt 24:43-44 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Nancy in fact this will happen. When the true Christ does return most will be caught off guard because they will already be worshipping the false Messiah.! satan disguised as Jesus will already be here on earth saying that he is God.! II Th 2:3-4 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for *that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and* that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;... What day? Paul is teaching on the return of our Lord..The Day of our Lord! 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Nancy, anti #500 whose prime is #473 means instead of or substitution! Paul is teaching that before our Lord returns Two/2 events must first happen! 1. The falling away AND 2. That man of sin be revealed. falling away #646 Strongs Gr., = 646 apostasia (ap-os-tas-ee'-ah); feminine of the same as 647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ["apostasy"]: falling away, forsake. Who Nancy, but followers of Christ can fall away from the truth? Who Nancy, but followers of Christ can forsake the truth? The son of perdition, there is only one #684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a); from a presumed derivative of 622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): damnable , destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste. God our Father has already judged this one to damnation and waste.Ez.28... This one is the only one already judged to perdition, it is satan himself!... Not a man used by satan, but satan himself! Consider the above word apoleia, it is a prime of Apollyon # 623 Apolluon (ap-ol-loo'-ohn); active participle of 622; a destroyer (i.e. Satan): satan comes first disguised as Jesus! And it is no marvel, Paul also teaches us that satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 2 Cor 11:14 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Transformed; #3345 metaschematizo (met-askh-ay-mat-id'-zo); from 3326 and a derivative of 4976; to transfigure or disguise; figuratively, to apply (by accommodation): transform (self). So my friend, this is how the scripture: Matt 24:43-44 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. will come to pass! When satan appears disguised as Jesus no one, except those who know that he is satan and not our Lord, will be waiting for our Lord anymore.! Nancy, who do you believe these to be? Matt 25:11-13 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. Our Lord will in fact come as a thief in the night to those who are not waiting any longer** for Him,because they will already be deceived into believing He has already come.! Marvel not my friend Shalom...><>