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To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10325)	12/29/1997 3:03:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

" The Romans killed Jesus, and we have never blamed them for a moment." Jane Kafker #10325 while under the influence and bewitchment of Judaizer Alan Markoff. The Holy Spirit, through Paul, warns us of the evil influence of Judaizers. Your posts clearly show how easily a weak and non-scripturally based Christian can be perverted by the evil falsehoods of a Judaizer. Let us look at the Scriptures" -------------------------------------------------------

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10325)	12/29/1997 3:04:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"Let's study the scriptures on that one. IT is interesting." You say "The Romans killed Jesus, and we have never blamed them for a moment." The Jews never blamed the Romans for the death of Jesus because they are the ones that would have killed him if the prevailing law would have permitted. (Which by the way they already did in their hearts) .They told Pilate that Christ's blood would be upon them and their children. Something that echoes down through the corridors of history. You say "The Jewish high priest arranged for Jesus's death because if you didn't worship Caesar in all the Roman Empire you were annialated by Caesar's army after word reached him, as Caesar had been pronounced God of the Earth sometime before that by another dead Caesar." Let's look at this real closely John 11:49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all. :50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not: :51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; :52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. Look at the picture here, the spirit of prophesy is telling them they know knothing at all. It didn't say they know very little, or that they were lacking only one point or concept, but Ye know nothing at all. What? You mean to tell me not even the high priest (and this spake he not of himself). knew anything at all? God is here revealing that unless Jesus dies the whole nation was going to perish because of their sins, there would be no sparing for the sake of the remnant because without blood there is no remission of sins. It's always for the remants sake throughout history that God spares. He would have even spared two cities (Sodom and Gomorrah) if only ten righteous had been found. God is telling them that He plans, by Jesus, to gather in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. This of course presented a direct threat to them especially in light of the following passages from Isaiah where He talks about drawing all peoples. 56:8 The Lord God, which gathereth the outcast of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, besides those that are gathered unto him. Right after He says this about drawing people he makes this statement about Israel's leaders. 56:10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. :11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand; they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter After the high priest prophesied these things these men should have had the sense to fall down with theirs faces in the dirt , repent and given God reverence, but the scriptures say: John 11:53 Then from that day forth they took councel together for to put him to death. You say "As we know,, he was picked up at midnight and whisked away and kept by Roman soldiers for the rest of the time." The scriptures makes plain that he was led to the high priest's palace, along with the chief priests, scribes, elders, and all the counsel for the express purpose of finding fault. Then they could bring him to Pilate with enough accusations to warrant the death penalty. A true believer understands that the real reason that the high priest wanted Jesus dead was because he was not a child of Abraham but rather was full of the spirit of anti-Christ and was only following his father the devil's desires. -Chris

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10325)	12/29/1997 3:09:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

According to the Holy Spirit, the Jews killed Jesus. ------------------------- 59: Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death; Matt. 26:59

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10325)	12/29/1997 3:11:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

The Holy Spirit says that the Jews and their leaders killed Christ. Matt.27 1: When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10325)	12/29/1997 3:14:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

The Holy Spirit says that the Jews and their leaders killed Jesus. 20: But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus. Matt. 27:26

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10325)	12/29/1997 3:23:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

The Jews killed Christ according to the Holy Spirit and continue to this day spread the falsehood that Jesus is a deceiver. Calling Jesus a "deceiver" is one of the highly exalted teachings of modern Judaism in their bible, the Babylonian Talmud. ---------------------------------- 62: Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, 63: Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. Matt. 27:62-63

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10325)	12/29/1997 3:29:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

According to the Bible, the Jews killed Jesus and tried to hide the fact of His Resurrection. To this day, they continue to teach these lies in their bible, the Babylonian Talmud. 11: Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done. 12: And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers, 13: Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept. 14: And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you. 15: So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.>/b> Matt. 28

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10325)	12/29/1997 3:35:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

The representative of the Roman government tried to release Jesus because he could not substantiate the false and fabricated charges brought by the Jews and their leaders. Again, the Bible tells us that the Jews killed Jesus. ---------------------------------------- 14: Said(Pilate) unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and, behold, I, having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him.Luke 23:14

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10325)	12/29/1997 3:42:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

The Holy Spirit tells us that the Jews killed Jesus. The effort by modern antichrist Judaism to remove the truth of the Jewish responsibility for the crucifixion of Jesus is a carnal effort. Since modern Judaism is blind to the spiritual reality of the Crucifixion, they can only see the wordly satanic view. The spiritual reality of the Crucifixion tells us that it is mankinds sins that really caused the crucifixion of Jesus. -------------------------- 36: Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. John 18

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10325)	12/29/1997 3:47:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

According to the Holy Spirit, Pilate attempted to release Jesus but the Jews insisted on His Crucifixion. 6: When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him. John 19

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10325)	12/29/1997 3:51:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

According to the Holy Spirit, the Jews crucified Jesus. 22: Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God,ye(Jews) have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: .... 36: Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye(Israel) have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10325)	12/29/1997 3:56:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

St. Stevens tells up through the inspiration of the Holy spirit that: 51: Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 52: Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53: Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. Acts 7

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10325)	12/29/1997 4:48:00 PM
From: Robert E. Hall	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Greetings Jane, << The Romans killed Jesus..... >> Let us allow the Word of God to speak on this, 1 THESS. 2:14-16, the Apostle Paul is speaking, " For you , brethren, became imitiators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same suffering at the hands of YOUR OWN COUNTRYMEN even as they did, from the JEWS, WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS AND THE PROPHETS, and drove us out. THEY (JEWS) ARE NOT PLEASING TO GOD, BUT HOSTILE TOWARD ALL MEN, hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles, that they might be saved; with the result that they always fill up the measure of their sins. BUT WRATH HAS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTMOST ". Jane, You are being influenced by the powers of darkness in some of your responses such as this one. I believe that you know in your heart the truth on this subject but you are opening your self up to great deception by listening to certain people, namely Alan, who twists and distorts most responses from many brothers and sisters who desire him to be liberated from the bondage he is unaware he is entrapped by. The true Israel of God is the Church, made up of Jew and Gentiles. To say that God has a specific purpose for a piece of real estate on the mediterranean is to totally fail to understand the Old and New Covenant. The Old Covenant can only be interpreted in light of the New Covenant. The Lord Jesus Christ is that " Light " and from Calvary on He rules and reigns His creation forevermore. Satan was bound at the cross and is sitting on " death row " awaiting his finally destiny. May God grant you freedom in His Son, in whom we belong too. Robert