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Microcap & Penny Stocks : Rocky Mountain Int'l (OTC:RMIL former OTC:OVIS) -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Pugs who wrote (31331)	12/29/1997 2:25:00 PM
From: (Bob) Zumbrunnen	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 55532

When you're posting over 100 messages per day, there are bound to be quite a few that a lot of folks haven't read. I know that on two occasions recently, I've cleared new message counts when I've seen 200-300 new messages. Can you post the message number of your discussion of fundamentals? Don't accuse me of not doing DD on the subject. When you're clogging the thread, it's hard to want to search through the haystack, especially when one believes the needle will be worthless. When have I attacked present management for the sins of prior management? You say I've done it. Prove it. I take it pretty seriously when you impugn my intelligence and credibility that way. Also, are you saying current management has never lied to the shareholders? Perhaps you've addressed this in your "ad nauseum" messages about fundamentals? Answer me this: Do you think I have a short position in this stock? Do you think I stand to reap any financial reward should this stock either not open or tank further? Am I being paid to have the increasingly negative opinion you're helping me have?

To: Pugs who wrote (31331)	12/29/1997 2:31:00 PM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 55532

Re: S Martin and M Kugler (per your request) Pugs, There are four types of "negative" posters on SI: 1) MMs disguised as shorts This post is a must read: 207.183.153.206 2) Shorts "Roger's 1997 Short Picks" is a great thread, if only to learn how shorts think: 207.183.153.206 3) Vigilantes Let's face it, some people pass time reading John Grisham novels or playing Myst, while others get their kicks from poring over SEC documents for "red flags". I would put S Martin and M Kugler in this group. 4) Assholes These are people that like to bash stocks to get a rise out of the longs. Very rarely to they ever have public e-mail addresses and almost always they focus on the stock price not the company. ========== ADVR is purported to be a miracle drug. Early on it was touted by George Chelekis who later was convicted of taking money and/or stock from them to feature the company in his newsletter. When Barrons did an expose on the company the stock tanked and has been going down slowly ever since. If you go back to the early days, Shawn Murphy was the one that first started attacking ADVR. However, I think he was probably a long that got burned. Anyhow, eventually S Martin joined in (the "S&M boys") and there was much speculation on that thread they were the same person. SI later confirmed that Shawn Murphy was posting under numerous names and tossed him. S Martin also was tossed for allegedly also using the name Doug54, but then reinstated by SI-- so only S Martin and SI know the true story behind that. One thing is for sure, S Martin and Shawn Murphy were NOT the same person. As for Mike Kugler, I remember him from the SYCR thread. I thought the company was about as dishonest as they come and had lousy products to boot. Mike felt the same but was much more vocal and hence was called every name in the book over there. Furthermore, it was also common knowledge that he was a broker and he never tried to hide it. Mike, as usual, was ultimately proven correct. ========== History shows that anyone long in stocks targeted by S Martin and M Kugler had better reassess their position. Just because a carcass attracts the same vultures doesn't necessarily mean they are working as a team. I'm also not one for conspiracy theories. Perhaps the ultimate "long" conspiracy is to try to effect a short squeeze. If you check out the number of times people on SI have uttered the word "call in your certs", you will be hard-pressed to find a case where it has been successful. It almost all cases such attention only helps the short sellers as gullible people flock to the stock and the MMs make a killing by raising the ask to the stratosphere and then shorting it down to way below the pre-surge price. If RMIL is truly a good company and can post some solid earnings or can annonce some blockbuster distribution deal, then the stock will go up on its own and you may get some short covering. However, more likely insider selling will more than account for the shares investors will be buying with the release of any news, which should keep the price at current levels for a real long time, IMHO -- assuming it ever trades again; SEC investigations should never be taken lightly. Pugs, I admire your tenacity in trying to determine SM's and MK's motivation behind their actions on this and other SI threads. Speaking for myself, if I were as disturbed about MK as you are, I would call him and talk with him for as long as he would put up with me. If I were MK, I would probably call Riley and figure out his motivation as well. I find it's easy to bash a name but it's much harder to bash a "real" person. Hey, it's only money, right? (gg) - Jeff P.S. I have not read the 31,000+ posts on this thread so pardon me if I sound "out of touch". :=)