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To: Brumar89 who wrote (929526)	4/7/2016 9:02:14 PM
From: d[-_-]b	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1578124

So I found out the hard way today the EPA has messed with water heaters. Apparently I can no longer get a simple 80gal two element electric water heater. I had to downgrade to a 50gal. My water heater in a tight spot under a staircase - the new 80 gallon heaters are called hybrids and basically have a heat pump attached to the top - making them taller and far more expensive than the old ones. A heater that would have cost $600-700 now goes for around $1,700. The hybrids have a number of issues and requirements - primary being enough open space in order to suck heat from the room. Sadly my little under the staircase "harry potter" closet does not provide adequate air flow. Worse the suggested solution is to knock a hole in the wall and install a vent - right into the family room - that'll look awesome. I may have to see if I can "import" one from Canada to skirt the new regulations. In the mean time I have a new tank 62% the size of the old one. I'm sure all this stupidity is for global warming or some shit. angieslist.com If your water heater is in a narrow closet or other space with no room to spare, this could make a big difference. No shit Angie, guess I don't need that whirlpool tub anymore and just devalue my home. If you have an older water heater, consider replacing it now with a model of the same size and capacity while they’re still available. This would buy you time before replacing the tank with one that meets the new requirements. If I had only known - I would have.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (929526)	4/7/2016 9:59:37 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	1 Recommendation Recommended By Stock Puppy Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578124

Brumar, I'm buying this because of the metals used in the vehicle and especially it's battery. Lots of energy mining and smelting and transporting them. Aluminum takes a lot of energy to produce, but not THAT much. An 12oz aluminum soda takes about as much energy to produce as if that can were filled halfway with gasoline. (OK, that's an awkward analogy, but it still says a lot about the energy-to-weight ratio of aluminum production.) I don't know what it takes to produce the lithium used in the battery, but there's no way it takes the energy equivalent of 1,400 gallons of diesel. The lithium only takes up a very small amount of the battery's weight, according to the diagrams you posted. The other materials that go into the battery can't be that energy-intensive to produce. No way. Well, maaaaaybe given that the cost to replace the battery is on the order of $10,000, and that cost would include the energy costs to produce the materials, including the lithium. But a lot of that energy cost should be offset by recycling, similar to aluminum. I could go on with the speculation, but just as the facts can be (and often are) distorted by the environmentalist wackos, they can also be distorted by those trying to fight them. Tenchusatsu