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To: neolib who wrote (16006)	5/20/2016 11:25:48 AM
From: Vattila	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 72232

> What I still don't get is I would think that the low end Polaris should still clobber Fury Performance in the current mainstream market is below Fury level. Since NVidia will not change that much with the launch of Pascal in the high-end, I expect mainstream Polaris to launch below Fury level performance, around R9 280 (VR Ready). "Virtual reality has some of the highest recommended specifications for a platform in recent memory, easily beating out most contemporary games – especially considering that “recommended” is really more like a recommended minimum. To try and solve that, Valve has been working on lowering the requirements for its Vive headset. And it seems to have done so, making it possible to get on with just a R9 280" yahoo.com

To: neolib who wrote (16006)	5/20/2016 12:39:34 PM
From: rzborusa	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 72232

What I still don't get is I would think that the low end Polaris should still clobber Fury, and if its $300 cards vs $600 cards why won't margins collapse. I don't think mainstream Polaris will have the performance of Fury, but should be great low TDP. If the shrink from 28 to 14 were true in all dimensions it would be 1/4 the area for the same transistors. Reality, who knows. My guess: Less transistors (it is main stream), who knows what size, but way smaller and should be much cheaper to manufacture. Especially considering the lack of HBM Its interesting that several articles have pointed out that although GPU cards volume has been in steady decline for years now, revenue is actually up a bit, because ASPs are up. So just like AMD has wisely refrained from a price war with Intel in the secular PC CPU decline, so Nvidia and AMD have avoided doing so also, while also in a protracted volume decline. So at least that is good so far. But now it looks like both Pascal and Polaris are launching out the gate in the high volume lower price points and its hard to see how that doesn't affect ASPs this year. From the article it sounds like Pascal? (not up on Nv naming) will be Flagship down type of launch. I don't know, but if so it gives AMD a window.