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To: Brumar89 who wrote (936050)	5/20/2016 2:10:05 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575354

And yet, extreme rains are increasing. State climatologist: Houston rains are getting worse "This trend doesn't mean we're going to see a steady increase in precipitation going forward," Crouch said. "The way we are receiving our precipitation is changing. We're seeing more of that precipitation fall in single events." It shouldn't take anyone by surprise. Scientists in the 1970s calculated that intense rains would become more intense as a warming atmosphere evaporated more water and held it in the air. A federal report in 2009 presented the first data to demonstrate that the trend was manifesting. Message 30589923

To: Brumar89 who wrote (936050)	5/20/2016 2:15:25 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1575354

Seth Borenstein Has A Problem With The Facts May 19, 2016 By Paul Homewood http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/sns-bc-us–houston-politics-of-flooding-20160518-story.html More nonsense from Seth Borenstein: With clay soil and tabletop-flat terrain, Houston has endured flooding for generations. Its 1,700 miles of man-made channels struggle to dispatch storm runoff to the Gulf of Mexico. Now the nation’s fourth-largest city is being overwhelmed with more frequent and more destructive floods. The latest calamity occurred April 18, killing eight people and causing tens of millions of dollars in damage. The worsening floods aren’t simple acts of nature or just costly local concerns. Federal taxpayers get soaked too. Extreme downpours have doubled in frequency over the past three decades, climatologists say, in part because of global warming. The other main culprit is unrestrained development in the only major U.S. city without zoning rules. That combination means more pavement and deeper floodwaters. Critics blame cozy relations between developers and local leaders for inadequate flood-protection measures. http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/sns-bc-us–houston-politics-of-flooding-20160518-story.html The nearest USHCN station to Houston is Liberty, 40 miles away. Below is the whisker plot for daily rainfall there. http://cdiac.ornl.gov/cgi-bin/broker?_PROGRAM=prog.climsite_daily.sas&_SERVICE=default&id=415196&_DEBUG=0 There is clearly no evidence of any rising trend in extreme rainfall. By far the wettest day came way back in 1994, when 18.5 inches fell on 18th October. The next two nearest USHCN stations are Brenham and Danevang, and we see the same picture there. http://cdiac.ornl.gov/cgi-bin/broker?_PROGRAM=prog.climsite_daily.sas&_SERVICE=default&id=411048&_DEBUG=0 http://cdiac.ornl.gov/cgi-bin/broker?_PROGRAM=prog.climsite_daily.sas&_SERVICE=default&id=412266&_DEBUG=0 But if your name is Seth Borenstein, why worry about facts? https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2016/05/19/seth-borenstein-has-a-problem-with-the-facts/ Broadlands permalink May 19, 2016 11:53 am US Southwest extreme rainfall…Texas “Records are replete with accounts of excessive precipitation. In all the Southwest probably the greatest single fall of rain was near Taylor, Tex., during the night of September 9 and 10, 1921. A total of 30 inches was recorded in 15 hours, thus averaging 2 inches per hour. Torrential rains over the southeastern portion of Texas in May 1923 resulted in Beaumont recording nearly 14 inches, and it was reported that the entire amount actually fell in 2.5 hours. In June 1913 nearly 21 inches of rain fell in 18 hours at Montell. Brownsville received 12 inches in 24 consecutive hours in September 1886, which helped raise the month’s total from a mean of 5.5 inches to an excess of over 25 inches.” Source: Monthly Weather Review, December 1934. “Meteorological Extremes of the Southwest”, Clarence E. Koeppe. stewgreen permalink May 19, 2016 12:40 pm Note Seth’s source “climatologists say” You know what that means ? Well if someone doesn’t give you a source that you can check ..and just say “scientists say”, “experts say” that is equivalent to saying “My cat says” ! oz4caster permalink May 19, 2016 2:37 pm The Houston metro area has grown tremendously in population the last 50 years, from 1.36 million in 1960 to 6.5 million in 2010 according to census figures and in 2015 was estimated to be near 6.7 million. Consequently many more people are affected when extreme weather events occur. In addition, the Houston metro area now covers over 10,000 square miles, which is larger than the state of New Jersey. The huge urban/suburban sprawl there means more localized extreme rainfall events hit populated areas just because the population is now spread over a much larger area, even though the frequency of extreme events at a given location in the area has not changed (as shown by the rainfall graphs). So population growth is the real cause of increased weather related problems, NOT climate change. The worst problem will be when the next major hurricane hits the area. Ike in 2008 caused a lot of damage but was not classified a major hurricane. Houston unfortunately is overdue. Miami is in a similar situation. The hints of a coming La Niña by late summer do not bode well for the southeastern US which is currently enjoying a long hurricane drought, the longest “ever” (since about 1880). This hurricane drought is likely to end soon and the alarmists will once again be claiming man-made climate change is the cause of more and stronger hurricanes, even though they say nothing about the unusual hurricane drought – as if only bad things can be caused by “man-made” climate change. People need to come to their senses and recognize that weather extremes are a part of climate and do not necessarily indicate climate change. We will need hundreds of years of data to determine if there is really much change in frequency and intensity of extreme weather events and the same is true for temperature as well. John F. Hultquist permalink May 19, 2016 2:51 pm Put this: Allen’s Landing Park . . . into Google Earth. This will take you to the center of Houston and the point of settlement “where the confluence of White Oak Bayou and Buffalo Bayou served as a natural turning basin.” [Wiki / History of Houston] The area is flat, waterlogged, and next to the Gulf of Mexico. A “bayou” is a sluggish stream that meanders through lowlands and marshes; otherwise known as a swamp. The difference between people kept in prison and people in Houston is that those in prison know they are being punished. [ I felt like that when I first moved here. Moving to Spring helped a lot. ] Sunsettommy permalink May 19, 2016 3:41 pm From 1837 onwards. Significant Houston Area Floods http://www.wxresearch.com/almanac/houflood.html TA permalink May 19, 2016 10:35 pm Extended droughts and then excessive rains that relieve the droughts are standard events in Texas and Oklahoma. That’s the normal climate. It happens all the time. Andy DC permalink May 20, 2016 12:50 am Natural climate change produced gigantic glaciers down to Chicago and NYC, only about 12,000 years ago, which is a blink of the eye in terms of geological time. Obviously to build and melt such gigantic glaciers resulted from climate change way outside what we consider to be the normal range of today’s climate. All without any human input whatsoever.