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To: zeta1961 who wrote (31626)	6/19/2016 1:51:38 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 49022

That was a really interesting piece talking about what kind of a poet Bob Dylan is zeta, or whether he was a poet at all, or even if he was an important thinker. I especially found it interesting that some people found people like Robert Lowell and Ernest Hemingway to be more important. The people that do not recognize the importance of Bob Dylan, in my opinion, are the same people that never understood what the 60s was about. Remember the one song, I think it was was on blonde on blonde, where Dylan says:" there is something going on and you don't know what it is, do you Mr. Smith"? If there was one thing about the 60s it was that most of the people did not understand what was going on. Because first and foremost, the 60s was an intellectual revolution as great as the ancient Greeks and the age of enlightenment. As an aside, I find it comical that anyone would even think to put either Robert Lowell or Hemingway in the same group as Bob Dylan. They were both intellectual dinosaurs compared to Dylan. In my opinion, at the bottom of all important poetry is the quality of the thought and perception. I mean what do poets do, but try and explain sophisticated reality to us. Hemingway was a very clean writer, but he was also a very primitive thinker. I don't know too much about Robert Lowell, but I don't know of any of his writings that I would consider to be more profound in the modern intellectual sense than what the kids were saying. I think the kids were right in the 60s, what was important is what they were thinking and trying to achieve e.g. civil rights, gender equality, free speech, antiwar, and most importantly the right of every individual to manifest their destiny as they see fit to do without society, culture or family putting pressure on them to do otherwise. As I've posted many times I think what people fail to understand about the 60s, is that it was the first major existentialist movement in the history of mankind. Put simply, it was a time of great intellectual awakening when the smartest kids in the world realized that our lives, our norms and mores, culture and society were by and large primitive. And the smart kids wanted to update our culture in the 60s to reflect modern-day thinking. That is why the headquarters was at UC Berkeley and on the West Coast rather than the East Coast, because Berkeley had the smartest kids in the world who had the intellect and self-confidence to reject the social pressures put on all kids and stand alone with their newly found ideas ,and in the West because they didn't have to trudge through many centuries of dogma and tradition as they did in the east. Anyway, thanks it was very interesting. Anybody that criticizes Dylan in my opinion simply still doesn't understand what was going on at the time.