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To: BigKNY3 who wrote (4121)	12/31/1997 3:58:00 PM
From: Tunica Albuginea	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23519

BigKNY3 , same reply as in previous post: Big KNY3, I've seen it all in Medicine, and I have a jaundiced eye. I am completely aware of the data. Here are my thoughts 1) Re: "As you know, DrTom Lue is one of the most respected and influential ED specialists in the world." Yes I know Tom. He is the co-author of the original MUSE study in the NEJM that showed that MUSE is effective for purpose of having intercourse, in 65% of organic ED patients for MUSE study " 2)Re:"Here's a published abstract of the study that I found on the AOL Vivus Board (3/21/97). Note: that 73% of the patients had ED of organic origin." We have THEIR WORD on it that it was organic!I t is an ABSTRACT!.There is NO DEFINITION of what are their criteria for organic.Does having ED and Diabetes for 2 years make it organic? They may say yes, I say no. The MUSE study, requires that patients should have had NO ERECTION/intercourse for three months preceding the study!! Now THAT is good, solid, organic!! My understanding from hearsay is that one of the criteria for enrolling in the Viagra study is that you had to have been able to achieve at least PARTIAL erection in order to enroll in the study!! This is because Viagra is an erection-enhancer, NOT an erection -producer. 3) Re: "Efficacy was assessed by a self-administered questionnaire at week 8. Safety and toleration were evaluated by routine lab tests and recording of adverse events.". Well Big K , " ROUTINE LAB TESTS, are NOT going to pick up early retinal degeneration, or any myriad of other side effects that that caused the removal from the market of Phen-phen, Rezulin, Seldane and on and on and on. For that you need the in depth assessments such as those made at ColumbiePresbyterian University Eye Institute study I posted yesterday So Big K, bottom line is that several other folk and I are WAITING FOR PUBLISHED PEER REVIEWED DATA!!! Yes BigK, I remain hard to be convinced. And when I get on the Titanic I always ask what is plan A, B and C for evacuating this boat if - God forbid- the s...t hits the fan. TA: