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To: Barnabus who wrote (10410)12/31/1997 9:05:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff  Respond to of 39621
 
As always thank you Jack, I realise we have to keep things in perspective and the only way Alan and I can post is to not respond to their disagreements with us. Remember I tried that but I will pray that I will be able to ignore them and bring peace to this thread. If you look back I have tried to continue with other subjects but the basic doctrine is so far apart that it is difficult to communicate. By the way I am up early because my 7 year old son had another nightmare about the man that had the rifle, please pray for him to be healed.Remember the Church (Catholic and Protestant) supported Hitler in regards to the Jews because it was to uncomfortable to confront these people and stand for what was right, it got real big real fast and was overwhelming.A little yeast works through the whole lump. May we all start this year the year of Jubilee the year of the Lords favor with joy and the fruits of the Spirit in abundance.
Nancy



To: Barnabus who wrote (10410)12/31/1997 11:51:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker  Respond to of 39621
 
Jack, all of this is true, and has been from the day Alan popped in to say Hi to me, AT MY REQUEST, where he COULD LEARN MORE AND SHARE WITH US ABOUT JESUS CHRIST.

Well, to my amazement, and we all know the story.

If there is any trace of Hitler in any "brother" posting here, what do you think the Lord would say. "Please, please please, let's just all forget this and start talking about me once again," Or "How can a fountain spill forth bitter and sweet water at the same time, and how can the mind of Hitler be one with the mind of God?"

Either I'm completely wrong and these men are innocently ballistic on a doctrine drawn from 3 sentences in the Bible using the term
"new" and "covenant" together, and they have written a new Bible excluding the history of Father God. By erasing the Jews and the Old Testament, if you think about it, you can kind of turn the pencil around and erase the One who created us. I do believe in the Trinity, and perhaps this is a discussion of the Trinity, as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The intent of the discussions of the last three weeks was aimed as much as making me hate Jews, much like small children in a park when someone is playing with someone other kids don't want you to play with. Perhaps it is all too disturbed to forget. Perhaps it is, as I said, malignant and evil under the surface, and to bury it does not make sense to me. I have seen much of the Medievel Church relived here, and that period was the highest period of true saint
activity since the first outpouring from Jerusalem upon the earth. However, so many believers died at the hands of those who used the name of Jesus as a sword and a political control weapon that to study that time is to nearly pass out with stunned disbelief.

I suggested early on for Emile, myself and anyone else to move to another place because I felt this was too unholy to dream of dropping to get back to pious chit-chat the non-believers like to blast us for because to them it seems unreal. Such "chit-chat" is very, very real and the only reality, actually, except when used to suddenly replace something as strange as what has gone on here for weeks and weeks.

There is a scholarly work on the Inquisition I read looking for more
clues in how to vindicate my poor dear Poor Knights of the Temple of Jerusalem from the dungeons where they still languish in history, forever named with Satan, and each day used in a more wild and lurid and depraved detailed study to promote satanism in America. Now used as the legacy of these most astounding brothers, who are just hard to comprehend ever lived, period.

So, the book showed how the Inquisition was absolutely a death once they got you. To agree was to die. To disagree was to prove you were a heretick under something I forget, and in the end you were always burned up.

So they brought in a boy who loved Jesus outside of the Catholic Church. He was a member of a street preaching group that kept getting hit with the Holy Spirit and grew like wildfire until they one by one were rounded up and miserably slaughtered. As the Waldenses, and many, mnay, many others. Large groups too.

So they begin asking him questions about Jesus. I need to find it, I believe I have it zeroxed in my box of unbelievable exerpts from proven real history. He says in the most 1970 spirit filled manner possible how he loves Jesus Christ. Then the Inquisitors start with their twisting, and they would begin..."You say you love Jesus Christ, but in what manner do you love Jesus Christ."

And this conversation is so blood-chilling that I was literally paralyzed with horror. And, after two pages of twisting his answers and asking back the twisted version of his answers, to which he tried to explain to them that he loved Jesus Christ, "he was judged a heretick" You know what happened to hereticks of course.

The Rennaissance which followed, with the rebirth of the discovery of ancient satan worship and mother goddess worship and the new obsession with "Eve" in paintings was possible after almost every person, it seems, who truly loved Jesus Christ and carried the Holy Spirit and tried to live per the scriptures, was eliminated in dungeons or at the stake. This is off the subject, but highly horribly interesting.

Sorry, but I kept seeing that interrogation method played over and over here, Innocently, and without knowledge of the Inquistional method of interrogation, of course, but I still cannot believe what went on.

If this is the concensus, to once again drop these obvious problems some have with using scripture as a blunt instrument of hatred with which to beat others almost senseless over a point that does not really affect salvation in the first place, but is one of personal ethnic social preferences, AT THE MOMENT, which could all change in ways no one could predict as the Lord slowly rearranges our lives according to His Perfect Will, then perhaps the Lord would have it so. If this is how all of Christianity wins, so be it. I just don't see how at the moment. I still think we have members who simply hate Jews with a passion. All Jews. Period. Unless they change their names and wear blue contact lenses and deny they ever were Jews. That is about the doctrine delivered to the saints here. And it seems a little crazy since that's all they seem to hate.

It is just too totally Hitleresque to comprehend. And is any of it
scriptural? Please anwer me, Jack, about whether these things are best buried, or whether satan in the midst of Christian thought should be expelled to the best of our ability.

Perhaps I have satan thought wanting satanic thoughts expelled.

These things can really make life almost unbearable for weak believers.