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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (946922)7/14/2016 5:53:55 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 1576167
 
Ballot Blocks
It's true that millions of California ballots have yet to be certified, but the process is transparent and well documented.

Kim LaCapria
Jun 9, 2016



CLAIM: Days after the California primary, a large share of ballots had yet to be counted in several counties.

MOSTLY TRUE

WHAT'S TRUE: On 8 June 2016, counties in California published updates about outstanding ballots versus counted ballots, and a significant portion remained yet-to-be tallied.

WHAT'S FALSE: The announcements were public and lagging results didn't constitute a coverup; most of the delay involved rounding up and certifying mail-in and provisional ballots.

WHAT'S UNDETERMINED: Whether the final tally would deviate significantly from the initial totals used to "call" the state on 7 June 2016.

EXAMPLE: [Collected via e-mail, Facebook, and Reddit, June 2016]

The Justice Gazette reporters and others are conducting an investigation into voting irregularities and the theft of Bernie Sanders's apparent California landslide victory by those supporting Hillary Clinton. According to popular actress Frances Fisher, a lawsuit is being prepared to require the counting of all the provisional ballots. If this lawsuit is successful, the actual vote count is expected to become known and Sanders will likely have a landslide victory in California.



Virtually all MSM sources are claiming CA is 100% reported, this IS NOT true. The LA County Registrar alone, released this statement 10 minutes ago: "First estimate of ballots remaining to be processed: ~240,063 provisional; 125,280 VMB returned at polls; 204,946 VBM recorded via mail."

San Diego County's website states, "there are APPROXIMATELY 285000 Mail / Provisional ballots still to be counted," and San Bernardino County has 95,000 more outstanding.

In other words, there are 570,000 ballots to be counted in LA County, 285,000 in San Diego County, 95,000 in San Bernardino County (that's a total of 950,000 in just three counties), and who knows how many more need to be counted in California's 55 other counties (58 total).

At this point it's very likely we won't even see the provisional/VMB ballot breakdown this week, or even the next.

Sources:
lavote.net
sdvote.com
sbcountyelections.com
mobile.twitter.com



ORIGIN:On 7 June 2016, California was one of the last states to count its ballots in the final presidential primaries. (The vote was eclipsed somewhat by a pre-primary call made by the Associated Press declaring Hillary Clinton the Democratic Party's presumptive nominee.)

Results from California didn't begin trickling in until late on the night of 7 June 2016. As a state with both early and mail-in voting, Clinton obtained an early lead that leveled out as votes made in person were added to the tallies. As of the afternoon of 9 June 2016, Hillary Clinton had received 1,940,580 votes in California to Sanders' 1,502,043, for a total of 3,442,623 ballots counted:



Shortly after California was called for Clinton in the early hours of 8 June 2016 on the East Coast, memes and rumors began circulating claiming that a large share of ballots had yet to be tallied. The rumors dovetailed with social media reports of problems at polling places, and claims that voters were forced to vote on provisional ballots due to broken machines:

A 9 June 2016 Los Angeles Times brief about voting by mail indicated that more than five million votes were mailed in for the 7 June 2016 primary. A separate short update in the same paper noted that estimates for total ballots counted were live, but no information about the uncounted balance was available:



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Cathleen Decker

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And....six minutes left in the California primary vote. Weeks left in the California primary vote count.

7:55 PM - 7 Jun 2016 · Los Angeles, CA, United States




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As of early Wednesday morning, about 5 million ballots had already been counted, but there was no official word on how many remained. State election law gives counties 30 days to finish their canvassing of votes cast. Secretary of State Alex Padilla must receive certified results from each of California's 58 counties by July 8.

A lengthy certification period is part and parcel of California's vote certification process. Counties have a month to submit finalized tallies in early July 2016, and that 30-day period is a well-publicized aspect of the process. An 8 June 2016 article from the Justice Gazette (reproduced by the unreliable web site USA Daily Politics) exacerbated the confusion by making unsupported claims that poll workers reported "vote flipping" in parts of the California. Those claims were peppered with language like "it has been learned" and estimates without citations:

The Justice Gazette reporters and others are conducting an investigation into voting irregularities and the theft of Bernie Sanders's apparent California landslide victory by those supporting Hillary Clinton. According to popular actress Frances Fisher, a lawsuit is being prepared to require the counting of all the provisional ballots. If this lawsuit is successful, the actual vote count is expected to become known and Sanders will likely have a landslide victory in California. It has been learned from poll workers that 50% to 90% of voters who were supposed to have been eligible to vote in the Democratic primary were told they would have to vote provisional ballots. There were two irregularities leading to the forced use of provisional ballots instead of regular ballots. The first was that previously registered voters' names had been removed from the rolls. The second was that someone (in most cases, not the voter) had marked them as vote by mail voters but they had received no ballot in the mail. Oddly, virtually all of those not allowed to vote and forced to vote provisional ballots were Bernie Sanders supporters. The next oddity is even more curious. Poll workers in Los Angeles and Orange County report that Bernie won the electronic votes in their precincts by well over a 2 to 1 margin, the opposite of the result of the vote count. ?The contrast between this and the outcome is indicative of vote-flipping. Also the outcome.. outcome does not match what anyone who has conducted polling in this state knows ... If you add the lower figure of 50% of voters who were not allowed to vote regular ballots for Bernie to the votes he received, you wind up with a substantial Sanders landslide victory in California.

USA Daily Politics cited a blog post by investigative journalist Greg Palast to support its claim that a majority of provisional ballots were discarded. However, that claim was addressed and largely debunked the next day, when Dean Logan of the Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk addressed fears of uncounted provisional ballots on Twitter and stated that most would probably be deemed valid and added to totals:

8 Jun
Julio Newman @writingnewman

. @LACountyRRCC how certain will provisional ballots be counted? Many reports of outdated voting rolls, forcing dems to vote provisionally



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Dean Logan, RR/CC

?@LACountyRRCC


@writingnewman All provisional ballots will be processed; those validated will be counted. Historically, 85-90% are determined valid.

1:27 PM - 8 Jun 2016 · Norwalk, CA, United States




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Logan fielded questions about percentages reported in the media, and attempted to clear up confusion about votes tallied versus votes outstanding:

8 Jun
#BernieOrBust @Sidalceau

If it's not uncommon, then why make the call without these votes counted? #FeelTheBern #BernieOrBust #ForeverSandershttps://t.co/jZKDSiKblI



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Dean Logan, RR/CC

?@LACountyRRCC


. @Sidalceau -- #LACounty doesn't make the call. We count and certify the official vote totals according to CA Election Law; not party rules.

8:48 AM - 9 Jun 2016




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9 Jun
Jodi Rasar @jodirasar

@LACountyRRCC So what you're saying is the websites all over the internet should not be reporting 100% in, right?



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Dean Logan, RR/CC

?@LACountyRRCC


@jodirasar - I believe what they are/should be reporting is that 100% of precincts are represented in the count; not 100% of votes cast.

10:40 AM - 9 Jun 2016




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It is possible (though not certain) that the gap between Sanders and Clinton might narrow further as more votes were certified, but California's lengthy post-election process is neither fraudulent nor secretive. Mainstream news outlets and county officials frequently and regularly interact with concerned citizens, and invite them to observe the certification process.

On 14 June 2015, the state of California release a per-county estimate of then-uncounted ballots; the total for all counties in the state was just under two million [ PDF]. Logan continued actively addressing questions as the certification process continued:

14 Jun
BlackMenForBernie @BlkMenForBernie

@LACountyRRCC we appreciate you being here to hear the stories... & we hope you can help rectify the wrongs done. pic.twitter.com/2lp8B5b9d4



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Dean Logan, RR/CC

?@LACountyRRCC


. @BlkMenForBernie - I listened & I heard. Will go over transcript for further review, action & improvement; respect & acknowledge concern.

2:14 PM - 14 Jun 2016




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The complete tally of uncounted ballots to date can be found here.

snopes.com



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (946922)7/14/2016 1:50:14 PM
From: Broken_Clock  Respond to of 1576167
 
Message #946922 from Wharf Rat at 7/14/2016 5:44:49 AM" 2,000,000 uncounted votes in Calif. "That's a lie.Hillary Clinton2,745,293Bernie Sanders(Party Preference: DEM)2,381,714http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/


snopes.com


MOSTLY TRUE

WHAT'S TRUE: On 8 June 2016, counties in California published updates about outstanding ballots versus counted ballots, and a significant portion remained yet-to-be tallied.

WHAT'S FALSE: The announcements were public and lagging results didn't constitute a coverup; most of the delay involved rounding up and certifying mail-in and provisional ballots.

WHAT'S UNDETERMINED: Whether the final tally would deviate significantly from the initial totals used to "call" the state on 7 June 2016.