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To: Elroy who wrote (603923)	7/26/2016 11:42:03 PM
From: LindyBill	7 Recommendations Recommended By Alan Smithee FJB John Carragher lightshipsailor MichaelSkyy and 2 more members Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793926

t's hard for me to understand If it's hard for you after reading this thread for all of these years then trying to get you to understand would be like administering medicine to the dead.

To: Elroy who wrote (603923)	7/27/2016 2:05:31 AM
From: bruwin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793926

BUT, human nature being what it is, when a person is scrounging out a very meagre living and there is virtually nothing in their lives to look forward to, they get desperate, especially if they also have a child and/or mother of their child, or children, to support. They gaze through restaurant windows seeing others having a good meal, they see well established families with a decent home and a roof over their heads, they see children well clothed and thriving and heading off to school, etc, etc, etc. And with that desperation comes enormous desire to better and improve their lot in life. And very often that desperation will turn to illegal activities where there are unscrupulous and evil human(?) beings who are only too ready and willing to take advantage of desperation in others. And there are now additional "members" introduced into the crime "families" of drugs, robberies, prostitution, hit "men", etc, etc, etc. And with that increase in the criminal population comes the burden that it adds to the indigenous citizenry of the country. The burden in terms of cost that can only come from the taxpayers to "finance" the increased prison population and rehab centres, etc. The burden on those of the indigenous citizenry who will suffer when innocent relatives are killed or harmed from criminal activities. An indigenous citizenry DOESN'T NEED THAT IN THEIR LIVES !!! That is why it is SO NECESSARY TO CONTROL who can enter a country and who can't enter a country. Similar, IN PRINCIPLE, as to how Australia handles its immigrant process. When an individual SATISFIES that country's requirements then they let you in. If you can't tally up the necessary points then it's NO GO, ..... END OF EFFING STORY. If countries such as Mexico, or Syria, or Libya, or Lebanon, or wherever, have problems that have resulted in the exodus of so many of their population, then why must their problems be offloaded onto other countries ? Why do populations allow Despots or Dictators to progress to the stage that they control a country and ruin a country to the extent that the indigenous population need to flee their homeland ? Indigenous populations need to do more FOR THEMSELVES when they see individuals rising up who are very likely going to make their future lives hell, .... LONG BEFORE IT BECOMES A MAJOR PROBLEM ... even if it means risking their lives in the process, as thousands were prepared to do in the period 1940 to 1945 in many parts of Europe when their countries were invaded or when despots rose up .....

To: Elroy who wrote (603923)	7/27/2016 12:43:01 PM
From: Katelew	3 Recommendations Recommended By Brian Sullivan garrettjax Zakrosian Respond to of 793926

Elroy, I'm not totally rejecting your ideas but consider this: 1. What's to prevent the illegal to ditch his papers and disappear into the woodwork where he can get new false paperwork. 2. We're one of very few countries that allow birthright citizenship. (I think it should be repealed.) An anchor baby in a few short years will become an adult an can get his parents (and other relatives) permanently into the country under the various family-unification acts. They (the parents) are then eligible for most of the different kinds of welfare. Your idea would work much better if we didn't have birthright citizenship. 3. You are correct that the financial costs to society are close to a wash re benefits with that first generation of illegals. Likewise crime coming out of the first generation is low. Everything comes apart, though, with the succeeding generations (statistic wise), i.e. the descendants who are legal. This a mature country we live in and job production is anemic. The immigrants that flooded in 150 years ago were coming in the middle of the industrial revolution and into a country with wide open spaces that needed to be built out. It's a different landscape now and statistics are showing it to be pretty dismal for legal Hispanics. They're finding it difficult to get ahead. They are using welfare at almost the same high rate of blacks. Black and Hispanic families WITH children use some kind of welfare at a rate of around 80%. Even if working, both these groups are a net cost to society in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Just looking at the math of it, don't you think it's pure folly to import desperately poor and ignorant people at the same time we are exporting jobs offshore? It's not xenophobia, It's math. As for the agricultural industry, it seems that most of the need for cheap labor is in the more labor intensive crops grown in CA and to a lesser extent other southern states eastward. Much, maybe even most, of agriculture is mechanized now. Maybe have a program where young, single immigrants can get work visas but not families? The young workers can only stay for a few years? All solutions come undone because of birthright citizenship.