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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (955672)	8/10/2016 3:04:02 PM
From: Old Boothby	4 Recommendations Recommended By locogringo longnshort slowmo TideGlider Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1574094

That's exactly right, and as the link you cited reminds us, fraud comes in many forms. Recall that in 2000, Dan Rather and CBS called Florida for Gore well before the polls had closed in the Florida panhandle, which is strongly conservative and strongly Republican. Imagine how many people in Pensacola and Panama City were on their way to vote, heard Rather say that, and thought, "Damn. Well, there's no use in voting now." If Rather had not of said that, Bush likely would have won Florida without the Supreme Court becoming involved. Dan Rather's hatred of the Bush family from GHW to GW is well known. It's fortunate that his bias against them eventually cost him his job and reputation.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (955672)	8/10/2016 6:45:35 PM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574094

The Heritage Foundation alone found 300 documented cases of voter fraud: Your study really drives home the point that fraud is virtually non existent...more importantly, the effect of voter fraud on election outcomes is virtually nil. Your report of cases spans more than a dozen years, several geographies, and elections from very local to regional to national. Just factor the handful of votes across many years over the total number of votes cast and tell me that this is a problem. No way. This is not just my opinion...study after study has found the same result...the courts have all said with virtual unanimity that states with voter ID laws have consistently failed to prove fraud in court. This is very well known...not really up for dispute. brennancenter.org Remember that back in 2000, an election was decided by 500 votes in Florida. Preventing fraud is extremely vital in preserving the sanctity of our democratic process. Florida proves the point perfectly...there were far more voter errors, counting errors, ballot screw ups, election commission mistakes, etc...than any demonstrated intentional voter fraud....so what did florida do? enacted a voter id law, reduced the number of voting days, reduced or eliminated early voting, and the like, while the voting methodology, equipment, stayed practially the same. What we saw in 2008 and 2012? Lines miles long in many precints...stopping voter fraud? I don't think so...NOBODY thinks so. The only ones who disagree are the ones who benefit from said fraud. Dude, again, this is simply a smokescreen. Al

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (955672)	8/10/2016 10:52:27 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574094

The Heritage Foundation alone found 300 documented cases of voter fraud: thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com Out of how many billion votes cast over the decades?

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (955672)	8/10/2016 11:14:44 PM
From: Alex MG	Respond to of 1574094

>>Remember that back in 2000, an election was decided by 500 votes in Florida. Preventing fraud is extremely vital in preserving the sanctity of our democratic process. >>The only ones who disagree are the ones who benefit from said fraud. Great point and the ones who of course disagreed were the Bush supporters Florida purged black voters during the 2000 election On November 7, 2000, Willie Steen, a Navy vet who had served in the Persian Gulf during Desert Storm, went to cast his ballot for president at the St. Francis Episcopal Church in Tampa, Florida. He brought his 10-year-old son, Willie Jr., to the polls for the first time. They waited a half hour to reach a poll worker. When Steen gave the poll worker his name, she searched a list of registered voters in the precinct and told him, “You can’t vote. You’re a convicted felon.” “You must be mistaken,” a shocked Steen replied. “I’ve never been arrested in my life.” He worked at a hospital, a Tampa orthopedics center, that wouldn’t employ anyone with a felony conviction.The poll worker gave him a number to call at the board of elections, but no one picked up. The 75 people behind him in line grew antsy. Few would look him in the eye. He left in embarrassment, struggling to explain to his son what had just happened. After fighting for his country abroad, he wasn’t able to exercise his most fundamental right at home. “I felt I was shafted,” Steen said. “I think there were a lot of things that weren’t done properly. My name was dragged through the mud.” He later found out from journalist Greg Palast that he’d been confused with a convict named Willie O’Steen, who had committed a felony between 1991 and 1993, when Steen was in the Persian Gulf. Little did Steen know that the same thing was happening to voters across the state of Florida—and disproportionately to voters like him, who were African-American. Before the election, Florida sent its county election supervisors a list of 58,000 alleged felons to purge from the voting rolls. Florida was one of eight states that prevented ex-felons from voting. The felon-disenfranchisement law dated back to 1868, when the state banned anyone with a felony conviction from voting unless the governor issued a pardon. The law targeted newly emancipated African-Americans, who during slavery were far more likely to be arrested than whites, including for such offenses as looking at a white woman. This racially discriminatory policy was still on the books in 2000. Blacks made up only 11 percent of registered voters in the state, but 44 percent of those on the purge list, which turned out to be littered with errors. No one could ever determine precisely how many voters who were incorrectly labeled felons were turned away from the polls. But the US Civil Rights Commission launched a major investigation into the 2000 election fiasco, and its acting general counsel, Edward Hailes, did the math the best that he could. If 12,000 voters were wrongly purged from the rolls, and 44 percent of them were African-American, and 90 percent of African-Americans voted for Gore, that meant 4,752 black Gore voters—almost nine times Bush’s margin of victory—could have been prevented from voting. It’s not a stretch to conclude that the purge cost Gore the election. “We did think it was outcome-determinative,” Hailes said.