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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (971103)10/8/2016 10:30:53 PM
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"what a useless POS this Obama admin is"
Shrinks call that "projecting".

Smart folk call it FACT.



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (971103)10/8/2016 10:31:47 PM
From: Broken_Clock  Respond to of 1577966
 
I call you D. Nial

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look what Obomber has done to the military by supporting AQ in Syria.


Eric ZUESSE | 06.10.2016 | OPINION
US Soldiers Resist Obama’s Support of Al Qaeda As is by now well-known, the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency’s previously classified 2012 report on the origin of the Islamic insurgency against Bashar al-Assad was released to the public on 18 May 2015, and it revealed the Obama Administration’s knowledge, at least since that time, that «the Salafist [Saudi-backed fundamentalist Sunni Islamic], the Muslim Brotherhood [Qatari-backed fundamentalist Sunni Islamic] and AQI [Al Qaeda in Iraq] are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria», and acknowledgement that «the West, Gulf countries [Saudi Arabia and Qatar mainly], and Turkey support the opposition [to Bashar al-Assad], while Russia, China, and Iran support the regime», so that the U.S. Government is, in fact, allied with Al Qaeda there, to overthrow Assad.

This pro-Al-Qaeda position was news, however, to America’s military personnel in that region.

On 29 September 2016, the Russian news site rusvesna.su headlined «Scandal in the US Army: Obama, we will not fight for your fighters in Syria! - Soldiers protest (PHOTOS, VIDEO)», and they showed alleged U.S. military personnel holding up signs covering their faces, upon which signs were handwritten messages such as:

«I joined the military to protect my family from terrorists»

«Obama, I will not deploy to fight for your Al-Qaeda rebels in Syria. WAKE UP PEOPLE»

«I DIDN’T JOIN THE NAVY TO FIGHT FOR AL QAEDA IN A SYRIAN CIVIL WAR!»

«I will NOT fight for Al Qaeda in Syria»

Whether these men (they all appear to be that) authentically are in-service U.S. military personnel cannot be established conclusively at this time, and no U.S. military would want to be publicly identified as opposing the U.S. government’s instructions, in any case. No active-duty U.S. personnel are likely to identify themselves publicly as refusing to participate in what their Commander-in-Chief is requiring of them.

However, at the very top of the U.S. military command, in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, there have, in fact, been resignations and firings by President Barack Obama, in order to keep the Syrian war going in this way: as a joint U.S.-and-jihadist effort. Though the great investigative journalist Seymour Hersh could not obtain U.S. publication for his major reports about the Syrian war, the London Review of Books has been publishing these reports; and one of them, «Military to Military», on 7 January 2016, stated that:

Barack Obama’s repeated insistence that Bashar al-Assad must leave office – and that there are ‘moderate’ rebel groups in Syria capable of defeating him – has in recent years provoked quiet dissent, and even overt opposition, among some of the most senior officers on the Pentagon’s Joint Staff. Their criticism has focused on what they see as the administration’s fixation on Assad’s primary ally, Vladimir Putin. In their view, Obama is captive to Cold War thinking about Russia and China, and hasn’t adjusted his stance on Syria to the fact both countries share Washington’s anxiety about the spread of terrorism in and beyond Syria; like Washington, they believe that Islamic State must be stopped… Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, director of the DIA between 2012 and 2014, confirmed that his agency had sent a constant stream of classified warnings to the civilian leadership about the dire consequences of toppling Assad. The jihadists, he said, were in control of the opposition.

…By the late summer of 2013, the DIA’s assessment had been circulated widely, but although many in the American intelligence community were aware that the Syrian opposition was dominated by extremists the CIA-sponsored weapons kept coming… General Dempsey and his colleagues on the Joint Chiefs of Staff kept their dissent out of bureaucratic channels, and survived in office. General Michael Flynn did not. ‘Flynn incurred the wrath of the White House by insisting on telling the truth about Syria,’ said Patrick Lang, a retired army colonel who served for nearly a decade as the chief Middle East civilian intelligence officer for the DIA. ‘He thought truth was the best thing and they shoved him out. He wouldn’t shut up.’ Flynn told me his problems went beyond Syria. ‘I was shaking things up at the DIA – and not just moving deckchairs on the Titanic. It was radical reform. I felt that the civilian leadership did not want to hear the truth. I suffered for it, but I’m OK with that.’

Dempsey resigned voluntarily: he took retirement, on 25 September 2015, when Obama replaced him with Joe Dunford, whose views at the time were unknown, except that a CFR neoconservative and champion of the «Maximalist» position of the U.S. in international relations, Stephen Sestanovich, praised the new head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as «‘Fighting Joe’ Dunford»; and, to paraphrase a cliché: it takes a neoconservative to recognize a neoconservative. But neither Sestanovich nor Dunford would say anything about their views on Syria.

But then, during a press conference on 29 March 2016, Dunford said:

The Russian military presents the greatest array of threats to U.S. interests… Our primary partners on the ground, the Syrian Democratic Forces, have been successful in recovering a large swath of ground in northeast Syria. And I’ll call them the SDF… The adversary knows exactly what the threshold is for us to take decisive military action. So they operate below that level. They continue to advance their interests and we lose competitive advantage. And, frankly, our interests are adversely affected. And for me it’s actually one of the most significant challenges that we’re dealing with right now.

This view of Russia as being America’s main enemy, is entirely consistent with Barack Obama’s «National Security Strategy 2015», which identified Russia as by far the world’s most «aggressive» nation. In other words: Russia is a continuation of the Soviet Union, in both Obama’s and Dunford’s view. The United States overthrew many heads-of-state who were friendly toward Russia — Saddam Hussein in 2003, Muammar Gaddafi in 2011, Viktor Yanukovych in 2014, and have been targeting Bashar al-Assad ever since at least 2011 — but calls Russia, by far, the world’s most aggressive nation.

Martin Dempsey didn’t want to serve in such a military (i.e., in a military led by a President such as that), nor did Michael Flynn, but it’s what Barack Obama demands. (He demands the overthrow of Assad.) And, therefore, Dunford can talk now about having (via America’s allied «primary partners on the ground») «been successful in recovering a large swath of ground in northeast Syria», as if the U.S. (and its allies, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, and Kuwait, which pay those «primary forces on the ground» — and Turkey, which provides the jihadists passage into Syria) have any right to that land. Obama is out for conquest, not peace, but whether he will carry this all the way to World War III, isn’t yet known.

Furthermore, as the independent journalist Rick Sterling at Consortium News put the matter, on September 23rd, some proponents of overthrowing Assad:

actively call for U.S./NATO military intervention through a «No Fly Zone,» which would begin with attacks upon and destruction of government anti-aircraft positions and aircraft.

Taking over the skies above another country is an act of war that would require a major U.S. military operation, according to senior American generals.

The New York Times reported that in 2012 General Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the White House that imposing a no-fly zone in Syria would require up to 70,000 American servicemen to destroy Syria’s antiaircraft system and then impose round-the-clock control over Syrian airspace.

General Carter Ham, former commander of the U.S. Africa Command who oversaw the aerial attacks on Libya in 2011, said on CBS News that «I worry sometimes that, when people say ‘impose a no-fly zone,’ there is this almost antiseptic view that this is an easily accomplished military task. It’s extraordinarily difficult…

«It first entails — we should make no bones about it. It first entails killing a lot of people and destroying the Syrian air defenses and those people who are manning those systems. And then it entails destroying the Syrian air force, preferably on the ground, in the air if necessary. This is a violent combat action that results in lots of casualties and increased risk to our own personnel».

In other words, an appeal for a «no-fly zone» is not a call for a non-violent solution. It is seeking a bloody act of war by the United States against Syria, a nation that poses no threat to America.

Obama’s intended successor, Hillary Clinton, champions the imposition of a «no-fly zone» to shoot down the planes of Russia and Syria, in Syria — to shoot down the planes that have been successfully killing the jihadists who have been trying to overthrow and replace Assad. The U.S. is with the jihadists, who have been imported into Syria by, and paid by, the royal families of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and UAE.

Thus, for example, Hillary said, on 19 December 2015, «I am advocating the no-fly zone both because I think it would help us on the ground to protect Syrians; I'm also advocating it because I think it gives us some leverage in our conversations with Russia». She wants to order Russian planes out of Syria, and to order Syria’s only legitimate government to be replaced with an anti-Russian government. And she wants to do this not only «to protect Syrians» (who overwhelmingly blame the U.S. for the hell they’re now experiencing, the U.S.-Saudi proxy armies of imported jihadists) «because I think it gives us some leverage in our conversations with Russia».

Although there might still be some resistance remaining at the top levels of the U.S. military against the restoration and heating-up of the formerly Cold War against the USSR (now against only Russia and any head-of-state who isn’t hostile toward it), Obama has probably by now eliminated almost all of those people at the top level; and so virtually the only U.S. military personnel who oppose the increasingly hot U.S. war against Russia could be the troops who would be ordered to do the killing and dying in that war. They would face a choice of either resigning and losing their means-of-livelihood and much else, or of fighting and maybe dying for a cause that they think to be evil (allied with Al Qaeda).

There is no public sign yet of any such mutiny against the U.S. regime, either by its soldiers, or by its subjects.

Two articles may be especially relevant to understanding why this would be the case. One is «Russia Finds - Shaming The U.S. Government Into Action Can Work», from the brilliant blogger who goes by the name «Moon of Alabama». The other is, «How Bamboozled the American Public Are About Syria», from me. Whereas the former article focuses upon the U.S. government’s operation to fool the American people into believing that ‘their’ government cares about fighting Al Qaeda in countries where Al Qaeda is actually instead a crucial ally of the American government against Russia and allies of Russia, the latter article focuses upon the enormous success of that governmental lying-operation.

But the success of Obama’s lying-operation has been even more striking in regards to Ukraine, Crimea, and Donbass — a matter which the head of Stratfor called «the most blatant coup in history», but which the American people still believe to have been a ‘democratic revolution’ that overthrew a ‘dictator’. It was an extraordinarily bloody coup there. And, as a result of it, Crimeans were terrified and overwhelmingly sought, and then obtained, Russian protection, and citizenship; and Donbassers were terrified and broke away from the newly installed Ukrainian regime, and likewise sought Russian citizenship, but were turned down by Putin, who regrettably provided only military and humanitarian assistance against the constant bombing by the newly installed nazis in Ukraine.

The economic sanctions against Russia that Obama had imposed by alleging that Putin ‘stole’ Crimea, caused Putin to say no to Obama’s millions of victims in Donbass. Russia accepted approximately a million refugees from Donbass, but Obama (via his paid nazi surrogates) basically destroyed Donbass (though not as much as he’s destroying Syria via his paid Al Qaeda etc. surrogates, a country that he wants even more to conquer, because the Saudi royal family demand it and are actually paying most of the bills for it). (Europe’s taxpayers are paying most of the bills for Obama’s conquest of Ukraine, and Europe also gets many of the refugees from there.)

Politically, what the American public see is that Republican politicians criticize Obama for fictitious reasons (such as that he ‘wasn’t born in the United States’), and Democratic politicians say that those fictitious reasons are the only reasons to criticize him. As a consequence, the American public have no idea about the reality of Obama, and of his policies.

So: these are some of the reasons why there is no mutiny.



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (971103)10/8/2016 11:01:36 PM
From: Broken_Clock  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1577966
 
October 7, 2016
Needed Now: a Peace Movement Against the Clinton Wars to Come
by Andrew Levine



Photo by Nathania Johnson | CC BY 2.0




Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize –for not being George W. Bush. This seemed unseemly at the time, but not outrageous. Seven years later, it seems grotesque.

As the steward-in-chief of the American empire, Obama continued Bush’s Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, and extended his “War on Terror” into Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, and elsewhere in Africa and the Middle East.

He also became a terrorist himself and a serial killer, weaponized drones and special ops assassins being his weapons of choice.

Much of this has taken place under a veil of secrecy. A great deal of effort has gone into keeping news of the murder and mayhem Obama let loose upon the world out of public view; so far out that, to this day, Obama, is still widely thought of as a man of peace.

He kept that illusion intact the way that Bill Clinton kept a similar illusion alive in the nineties– by keeping war talk to a minimum and by keeping American combatants out of harm’s way.

Along with his Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, Clinton saw to it that sanctions would kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. And when sanctions weren’t enough to complete the dismemberment of Yugoslavia, he unleashed death and destruction from the skies.

With his drones, Obama has surpassed Clinton in that one respect; if they gave a Nobel Prize for killing from afar, he’d win hands down.

Sometimes, though, there is no avoiding “boots on the ground.” When this is the case, the Clinton-Obama way is to rely as much as possible on proxy armies or militias to do the fighting, using the empire’s own troops only as a last resort.

Also, like Clinton, Obama relies on “humanitarian” interveners to make his depredations seem kosher. Nobody can sell killing and maiming to a gullible public as well as they.

Now that old horn dog must be smarting inside – because he showed the way, and Obama got the prize.

The sad part is that, compared to several other Nobel laureates — Henry Kissinger and Menachem Begin come immediately to mind –Obama’s prize doesn’t even seem particularly absurd.

And credit where credit is due: an important accomplishment of Obama’s has been to restrain the more bellicose underlings he empowered. Hillary Clinton, his first Secretary of State and inevitable successor, for example.

This is why, when Obama goes off to do whatever he will do with the rest of his life, he will actually be missed.

It must be said, though, that the more noxious laureates at least did something to earn the honor bestowed upon them. What they did was often of dubious value, but it was something nevertheless.

For example, the late Shimon Peres also got a lot of people killed and maimed; and, remarkably, he too is widely thought to be a man of peace. But he won his Nobel Prize, along with Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin, for his role in negotiating the now defunct – and always doomed — Oslo accords. The Nobel Committee could at least justify giving the prize to him on that account.

Obama won his with no peace-making accomplishments at all, dubious or otherwise, to his credit. What he had going for him was just that “hope and change thing,” as Sarah Palin aptly called it.

This was before those words came to stick in the craws of progressives throughout the United States. Obamamania was already on the wane in America by the time Obama won his Nobel; evidently, it took a while for the news to reach Norway.

With Hillary it will be different. Candidate Obama was a magnet for illusions; Hillary is anything but. She is not about to get peace prizes just for being there.

Even the people who give out Nobels know better than that. She regards the (unindicted) war criminal Kissinger as a mentor, and, when she abases herself before AIPAC, she might as well be channeling Peres or even Begin, but it makes no difference to them. Her fondness for all things military is too well known.

Needless to say, while running for President, she would as soon not call attention to her bellicose and imperialist side. She and her handlers would rather people think that a vote for her is a vote against Donald Trump – period, full stop.

In a sense, it is; it is also a vote against Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate, and Jill Stein of the Greens.

Trump will get more votes than either of them, but his chances of being elected President are not much better than theirs.

This is why, despite all the anti-Trump hysteria mongering, what a vote for Clinton really is is a vote for war — for intensifying the wars Obama inherited or initiated, for starting others, and for provoking Russia, and its vilified leader enough to advance the Doomsday Clock by a significant amount.

And since, time and again, Hillary has proven herself too inept to properly execute her ill-conceived initiatives – the assault on Libya is only the most egregious example – the risk of nuclear war, once momentum for it gets going, will be a lot harder to contain than it has been under other Presidents.

Most Americans understand how dangerous it would be were Trump in charge of America’s nuclear arsenal – not so much because of his views, which, to the extent that they can be determined, seem generally saner than Hillary’s, at least in this respect, but because of his temperament. If he had a decent chance of winning, the idea that he might become the Commander-in-Chief would be worrisome indeed.

But his chances of winning are negligible. Hillary’s, on the other hand, are excellent, notwithstanding the fact that she is as charismatic as a turnip, and is widely despised for both good reasons and bad.

This makes her the one to worry about. Hillary’s impulse control is better than the Donald’s and she is a lot less inclined to act out, but she is, by sympathy and conviction, an ardent proponent of military “solutions,” even for problems that don’t exist.

Lesser evil voting is problematic in its own right; among other things, for fostering a race to the bottom. But, in this case, lesser evil considerations are, or ought to be, moot, because Trump, the evil lesser evilists want to avoid, is on track for suffering a major defeat. Lesser evilists who might prefer a turnip to Hillary or who realize how great an evil she is are therefore wasting their votes.

Nevertheless, Hillary is slouching towards victory, and nothing except an act of God can stop her.

Now is therefore the time to start planning for life after November 8.

***

The first order of business is to build a peace movement, large enough and militant enough to impose political costs on Hillary’s war making.

To be sure, a large, militant and global peace movement failed to keep George Bush and Dick Cheney from invading Iraq and going on to break much of the rest of the Middle East. But, after a decade and a half of their wars and Obama’s, conditions are different.

Bush and Cheney were determined to go forward with their schemes, no matter what. They were not about to be dissuaded by pesky demonstrators.

Also, their (continuing) war against Afghanistan was already on; they had gotten away with that. And, thanks to the relentless media campaign that continued unabated long after the 9/11 terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, public opinion was primed for war.

Decades ago, opposition to the Vietnam War was even more extensive and intense, and, thanks to conscription, the country was coming apart at the seams. Nevertheless, the War Party was able to hold its ground.

It was not until the futility of the war became glaringly evident throughout the entire American power structure, and the social and military costs became too great for the country to bear, that Kissinger and Nixon decided that it was time to bring the troops home.

There is a lesson in this: that there is a limit to how much even very large and very militant peace movements can achieve.

They are necessary, though – and because winning over hearts and minds is essential, every little bit helps. But, in the face of determined opposition from secure political elites, peace movements can never be more than part of the story.

What will be unusual when Hillary assumes office is that much of the work that peace movements must do to win over hearts and minds doesn’t need to be done. On matters of war and peace, the hearts and minds of many, maybe most, Americans, including some that Hillary deems “deplorable,” are already in a good place.

Public opinion has largely turned against the wars of the past decade and a half. Indeed, at some less than fully conscious level, people now realize that the War on Terror has been counter-productive, and that it has changed America for the worse. The spirit of revenge is also largely played out.

The task therefore is a lot easier now than in was in the early days of the Vietnam War, or as it was fifteen years ago when the Bush-Obama War on Terror was getting underway.

There is much less need to counter mistaken ideas or, as after 9/11, primitive and unfocused calls for vengeance. The burden now is overcoming the acquiescence of a disempowered population.

This too may not be as hard as it sometimes seems. Obama was good at keeping America’s wars out of Americans’ minds. In this, as in nearly everything else, Hillary will be less adept.

She should also be more amenable to changing course than Bush and Cheney were in 2003.

When an idea found its way into George W. Bush’s head, it tended to stay there. Bush didn’t have it in him to deal with complexity or to react flexibly to changing circumstances.

The Clintons, on the other hand, will turn on a dime, if they think there is a percentage in it for them.

Other things being equal, they will do what their donors want them to do; and, because it is good for their bottom lines, many of those donors do like military spending. But with Hillary it isn’t just a matter of Bush-Obama style perpetual war. There is also the specter of nuclear war.

This is why the money interests behind Hillary are not likely to impede efforts to force her off the warpath – especially if the warpath takes a turn towards Russia or China. Even billionaires can’t take it with them.

Therefore, if there is a will to hold Hillary back, there is a way. That wasn’t the case with Bush and Cheney in 2003, but it is the case now.

And now is the time to start working on it. Now is emphatically not the time to subordinate everything to stopping Trump. He should be left to stop himself.

Nearly all liberals and distressingly many leftists disagree. Lately, they have been making their views known – self-righteously, condescendingly, but nevertheless effectively. The Sanders excuse for caving in to everything he ostensibly opposed is now the general line.

But the general line is wrong-headed.

Because voters aren’t always irredeemably stupid, and because demography is destiny, Trump is, and always has been, already effectively stopped.

Liberals should therefore get over it: Hillary is the problem; the Donald is just a buffoon, who will end up losing big time, and, let’s hope, destroying his brand in the process. His decline and fall will be wonderful to watch, but fixating on it is a waste of effort and time; time and effort that would be better spent laying foundations for the anti-Hillary struggles ahead.


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ANDREW LEVINE is a Senior Scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies