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To: Pierre-X who wrote (43659)	1/2/1998 8:17:00 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Respond to of 186894

PX, >>>This shows that you are obviously not a coder. In fact it shows you don't understand the true nature of constructivity, which is intimately tied to creativity.<<< Not every novelist is as creative as Thomas Hardy, or mathematician as creative as Gauss...and so on. Not every coder is as creative as ????. But, if you are not as creative as Thomas Hardy you are not going to make a living as a novelist. However, thousands of programmers can write different sections of code, say in creating MS Word, without any creativity. They don't even have to be idiot savants - they could be just plain old, unimaginative nerds (and arrogant to boot). Mary

To: Pierre-X who wrote (43659)	1/2/1998 9:39:00 PM
From: jim kelley	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Pierre, Your analysis is spurious although sentimental. You are not applying " my" definition of creativity to these people. They would all qualify because they were creative in the conceptualizing sense. Coding is a skill and not usually a creative activitiy. It requires translating program specifications into code sequences which usually entails standard coding proceedures and practices. There is little invention involved ordinarily. A really skillful bricklayer can lay brick a lot faster than other bricklayers but that does not make him an architect. It is however constructive and useful to have skillful bricklayers. It is also true of software coders. Gauss, Bernoulli, Hardy and Wright did not code. Gauss and Bernoulli did discover or create new mathematics and physical principles which have changed the way we think. Wright and Hardy created in their own art forms. Neither was a bricklayer or a coder. Now Hannibal Lecter was creative. I hope I have not offended you by saying that coding is not ordinarily creative but rather constructive. I have coded and I have designed both hardware and software and I have managed both programmers and hardware engineers and other executives. About 10% of the engineers and programmers do 90% of the creative work in those fields. Not every job affords an opportunity for creativity. Most either can not be creative, do not get the opportunity to be creative or are not interesting in being creative. Enough said....It has been fun discussing this important subject. Regards, Jim Kelley