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To: Brumar89 who wrote (976161)	10/28/2016 7:46:04 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573150

Someone backing you doesn't make you their "creature". That's true even if they enthusiastically and consistently (over time, with different members of the group backing you etc.) backed you, neither of which is true for the GOP establishments support of Trump. Some of them are still "never-trumpers", others are silent, others provide very tepid support. To be their creature they would have had to have created him (as a political force), or heavily influenced him, while at the same time they would have to support him strongly and he would support them (or at least they used to support each other strongly and they had a falling out, then he would be their "rebellious creature"). But rather then dealing with the side point of definitions (which isn't that important here, if the word isn't good we could use another one, the real point is meaning), the point is the GOP establishment didn't give us Trump. If Republicans do support him strongly and vote for him in large numbers it might make them more accepting of those like him (in personality, ideas, history and/or some other way), but probably only modestly. And it won't really encourage them to think they own our votes, he's a reaction against them, not someone put forward by them, and many of his strongest supporters are anything but GOPe types. The question is more does Trump own GOP establishment votes (or the votes of movement conservatives, to the extent they are a coherent group, certainly they aren't the same group as the GOPe). If Trump had a very narrow loss in the primaries and caucuses to some GOP establishment type, and if the fight was really bitter (and it was pretty bitter), but when the election came around the Trump supporters voted for Mr GOPe in overwhelming number, that might have made them think they own Trump supporters votes, or Republican votes in general (to the extent Trump supporters were Republicans before Trump).