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To: koan who wrote (976198)	10/28/2016 10:34:49 PM
From: James Seagrove	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573718

Free Lunch 1. food provided without charge in some bars and saloons to attract customers. 2. Informal. something given with no expectation of repayment, service, responsibility, etc.: In politics there's no free lunch—everyone expects favors to be repaid.

To: koan who wrote (976198)	10/29/2016 2:24:39 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 1573718

1 open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values. Not a very good definition. Plenty of people who are self described as and widely seen as liberals are very in to supporting the status quo. How many liberals support entitlement reform, regulatory reform, reforming public schools through market incentives (charter schools etc.). You can argue that these ideas are bad (or that in the way I express them here they are vague), but that's not the point. All political persuasions have new ideas or new twists on old ideas that their opponents don't like. (of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training. That's more "liberal education", rather than "liberal". Its an ok definition for that term, but not very relevant to the discussion. Remember we are talking about politicians, and indirectly policies here. The definition has to focus on politicians, politics, and policy. We need a standard to apply, This guy is a political liberal, this guy isn't. Without that your whole claim about "liberals supported the Civil Rights act" is pretty meaningless. The Civil Rights Act was new at the time. There had been other civil rights acts but not all that long ago (unless your counting things like the Emancipation Proclimation, the 13th amendment, and rules put in place by the Union army in the South during reconstruction, there related but in this context I'd put them in a different category. So you get "people who are more open to new ideas, are more likely to accept this new idea". Not very meaningful. Support of what sort of policies (esp. in the 60s but also now) defines a politician as liberal? One area tends to be spending (either in general or just social spending). Would you agree with that one? If so, then we have a start. If not, why? What else would you add?