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To: Chris land who wrote (10455)	1/2/1998 10:05:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

You need to read what I said; "Educate yourself a little here are some examples of prominent Jews who remained Jewish and do not show hate as you" Did I say they accepted Jesus? This is not a black and white subject for me. The words out of there mouth I find very loving to all humans. It wouldn't surprise me by there writings that all of them have accepted him. I find many peoples opinion of Jews have been force feed to people like what Emile is trying to do on this thread. What is the born again experience Chris? Have you been to Heaven yet. As I said before it is easy to confess with the mouth, but you can't fool God he sees your soul. Tell me Chris all people who claim to be Christians and ask for forgiveness will they be saved. Also are you familiar with the KKK doctrine and what they profess about Jews. Don't take this as a negative to you I believe you are sincere in your beliefs but I feel that you feel I am making this issue on the Jews into a poor Jew or poor me type of situation or we are better than other people. Thats simply is not true. But I strongly believe that people will be accountable for Jews not accepting Jesus on the basis of there actions. There will be 1000 years when Jesus will reign on this earth. We all are a poor example of really what the Scriptures are telling us, all what we are and his purpose will become quite clear when we stand before him (Jesus)in this I strongly belive. Accepting Jesus does not make you a good person. Anybody can except him with there mouth. So what it comes down to is that everone is accountable for their own salvation so we need not pass Judgement on others. Alan

To: Chris land who wrote (10455)	1/3/1998 1:28:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

What is wrong with you people. Chris, are you born again? HAve you ever been prayed for or asked for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? What was your indication that such has happened? Where in the world is the fruit? What is going on here, and what brand of Christianity is is on this thread all of a sudden? Alan is providing proof that many, many very prominent Jewish leaders ARE NOT Talmudist statan worshippers. He DID NOT say all prominent Jewish leaders were born again and living in monasteries praying for the return of Jesus Christ. He has looked at Emiles presentations and countered with very beautiful representations of the very same people assailed here unmercifully as demonic and horrible. We have all been deeply offended by this, and now I am simply going to begin to pray God's judgment upon this incessant assault on Alan. Emile is right about the people who head the media. If he ran a list of people who head TV it would be the same. And the head of all major studios in Hollywood, except Robert Evans, as far as I know. Some of them have made beautiful movies, and uplifting movies, and movies that the Lord Himself could watch. Not every single movie ever made in history has blasphemed Jesus Christ. That is fact. It is also fact that there are other men who are not part of the web of evil, are not Talmudist Jews, and stand with the scripture from Jesus' mouth---he who is NOT against me is for me. Alan presented to you HIS list of prominent Jewish leaders all professing a love and admiration for Jesus Christ, and definitely pointing ANYONE toward Jesus and not away from Jesus. You come in an twist it around that they're NOT BORN AGAIN! I will tell you men who post on this thread, either I am going to be soundly thrashed in the Spirit by the Lord Jesus Christ who will present me to the Father for the deeds that I have done here opposing this spiritual assault on both Alan and Nancy who come to us as followers of Jesus Christ, or else I will witness some kind of judgment for the deeds done here, supposedly in the name of Jesus Christ. But the Holy Spirit cannot be at war with Himself, nor is He confused and at variance and doesn't know what stand he wants on the matter. Alan has listened to Emile, and presented beautiful Jewish examples in return, proving that if there is evil, there is also goodness of spirit and Jewish people just like Alan and Nancy believe that have every opportunity of being saved before their time is up. You mock them. Very dangerous. If not, upon which scripture do you mock them? Give me some scriptures here from the mouth of Jesus or from John, or even Paul, if you can twist what he said around to continue to answer love with hate. I have never seen anything like this and in the name of Jesus Christ, , I command this assault on Alan's spirit to cease in the name of Jesus, by the Blood of Jesus or that Father God in Heaven brings judgment down upon us all in any way He must to bring this to an end. This has been an unbearable spectacle, and one that reminds nothing of the Holy Spirit in action, nothing of the Son in action, and nothing sanctioned or inspired by the Father. I'm telling you that God is not mocked. Stop mocking Him, and stop pretending that this on-going mugging in the name of Jesus is from God. And stop telling me, a street preaching member, a park preaching member and a member of every kind of outreach ministry put together in 20 years that I am being JUDAIZED? I am being horrified, is what I am. Horrified by other Christians who cannot show one ounce of love. WHY??????

To: Chris land who wrote (10455)	1/3/1998 3:05:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

"Not one mentioned His divinity. I can understand if your trying to get the point across that not all prominent Jews throughout history disregarded Jesus, but it appears none of them really knows Christ, or the born-again experience. -Chris" Greetings in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ my fellow Christian brother. You have made a very perceptive and spiritual observation. In order to be accepted and influential among Christians, the leaders of modern antichrist Judaism have learned to deceive through their subtle words. They know they are a small minority holding antichristian views and consequently most pretend to honor and respect our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. They pretend to honor and respect Christ while at the same time calling Him a liar by rejecting His divinity and rejectin His sacrific for the sins of mankind. Not one of the Jews Alan quoted acknowledged that Jesus is God and can forgive sins. To believe in Jesus means to accept Him as the Son of God and fully divine and capable of forgiving sins. You cannot honor and respect Jesus without honoring and accepting His words. When Jesus said that He and the Father were one, he was speaking truth. Jesus was not a great man in worldly terms. He never had great wealth. He held no degrees from the Greek and Roman academies. He was a poor man. He held no political titles. Mankind simply did not esteem Him in worldly terms. It was His divine power in opening the eyes of the blind, healing the sick and raising the dead that caught the eyes of the people. His divine power also caught the eyes of the jealous and rebellious Jewish authorities and produced hatred in their hearts. Jesus was meek and lowly of heart and never sought social, political or historical recognition. Jesus did not need socially constructed realities because He was absolute reality. He was and is our eternal Creator and one divine person in our one and only Triune God. He was and is the Son of God who takes and took away the sins of mankind. The admiration that this list of Jews pretends to bestow on Jesus is nothing but fakery because they neglect the one essential characteristic that Jesus demanded that man must acknowledge-- He was the God-Man --Immanuel. God had among his creation and taken on human flesh to be sacrificed for the sins of mankind. When you reject that Jesus-the lamb of God, you cannot honor or respect Him because when you reject His divinity and purpose for becoming man and you make Him a liar. Jesus was meek and lowly of heart and never sought social, political or historical recognition. Jesus did not need socially constructed realities because He was absolute reality. He was and is our eternal Creator and one divine person in our one and only Triune God. He was and is the Son of God who takes and took away the sins of mankind. You cannot honor and respect Jesus without accepting His divinity! You cannot honor and respect Jesus without accepting the fact that He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of mankind! You cannot honor and respect Jesus by speaking only of His influence upon mankind. Jesus's influence on mankind is an historical fact and only a fool would deny this influence. You cannot honor and respect Jesus by simply calling Him a prophet. It is not His prophecies that saved men but His divine death on the Cross for the sins of mankind. You can only honor and respect Jesus if you have faith in Him as the divine Son of God who died for your sins as well as the sins of all mankind. That is the respect and honor that Jesus desires and demands.