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To: bart13 who wrote (124211)	11/8/2016 11:12:35 PM
From: bart13	Respond to of 219319

Google election results: Trump takes Florida, Clinton takes California Electoral count, Trump still leads 201-197

To: bart13 who wrote (124211)	11/8/2016 11:41:26 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 219319

There's nowhere to go. We're already there: < Leaked NASA Paper Suggests The 'Impossible' EM Drive Really Does Work (sciencealert.com) 608 Posted by BeauHD on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:30PM from the subject-to-external-verification dept. > Nobody is going to Mars. It's much nicer in the Sahara desert or Death Valley right here on Earth. Or on Antarctica. Nobody is ever going to Alpha Centauri A, B and Proxima [4 light years away]. If that's nothing great, then there is a bit of a crowd of stars 10 light years away. Once up to speed to get to 4 light years, it would be quicker to do the next 6 light years. But what would anyone do when they get there? So, that leaves robots. They could carry DNA and spray it around any planets that look likely and leave evolution to do its work. Hmmm - that might just mean our DNA would be going "home" because maybe they sent it here a billion years ago. It's more likely that exploratory success will be found in maths and understanding what the heck is going on that there's something called consciousness and the four forces of the apocalypse wrapped up in quantum physics and wave functions. The teleological possibilities of existence are more interesting than what's "out there" just a few stars from here. Genetic engineering would be much more fun than sludging around in near space even if turbocharged with an ion drive or star sails or something. If Earth isn't considered so nice, it's probably a better bet to mine the moon or Earth and build a monster space ship akin to another planet around Sol which is good for another billion years more or less, near enough for government work. Meanwhile, on Planet Earth, Trump looks like an undoubted winner now. It's just a matter of by how much now. Landsliding!! Mqurice

To: bart13 who wrote (124211)	11/8/2016 11:45:53 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 219319

the sequence of events were so wired.co.uk "EmDrive: China's radical new space drive" - britisher invented the gadget - western scientists poopoo-ed inventor - nasa ignore inventor - team china provided proof of concept - nasa got back in the act on "just in case" now the game is full-on ibtimes.co.uk Space race revealed: US and China test futuristic EmDrive on Tiangong-2 and mysterious X-37B plane US and Chinese governments are already testing out their own EmDrive devices on spacecraft, sources say. By Mary-Ann Russon •November 7, 2016 15:05 GMT Embed FeedEmDrive: What is it and how could it change the world? IBTimes UK The US Air Force and the Chinese government are presently trialling the controversial EmDrive space propulsion technology on spacecraft, according to sources in the international space industry. IBTimes UK has been informed that the US Air Force is currently testing out a version of the EmDrive electromagnetic microwave thruster on the X-37B unmanned military space plane, while the Chinese government has made sure to include the EmDrive on its orbital space laboratory Tiangong-2. The Boeing X-37 is a mysterious autonomous orbital test vehicle that is launched into low-Earth orbit using a launch vehicle just like a regular space rocket, but when it comes back to Earth, it re-enters the Earth's atmosphere in one piece and lands as a spaceplane. The X-37B has been circling the Earth on a top-secret mission ever since it was launched by the US Air Force on 20 May 2015, and no one knows what exactly it is monitoring or when it will return. All we know is that the current robotic spacecraft in orbit – the OTV-4 – is solar-powered and carries a large experiment bay taking up about a third of the space plane. This is where the US Air Force installs sensors and experimental technologies it wants to test out. If the US Air Force is testing out the EmDrive, this would make sense as the US military maintains that the X-37B is being used to "explore reusable space vehicle technologies in support of long-term objectives". China and the US both have a vested interest in the EmDrive The US Air Force's X-37B autonomous experimental space plane, which is orbiting the Earth on a secret missionUS Air Force How the EmDrive works The EmDrive is the invention of British scientist Roger Shawyer, who proposed in 1999 that based on the theory of special relativity, electricity converted into microwaves and fired within a truncated cone-shaped closed metal cavity causes the microwave particles to exert more force on the flat surface at the large end of the cone (i.e. there is less combined particle momentum at the narrow end due to a reduction in group particle velocity), thereby generating thrust. His critics say that according to the law of conservation of momentum, his theory cannot work as in order for a thruster to gain momentum in one direction, a propellant must be expelled in the opposite direction, and the EmDrive is a closed system. However, Shawyer claims that following fundamental physics involving the theory of special relativity, the EmDrive does in fact preserve the law of conservation of momentum and energy. As for the Tiangong-2, it is a space laboratory that China launched into space on 15 September aboard a Long March 2F rocket. It is not designed to be a permanent orbital station, but is instead a testbed for key technologies that China wants to use on its large modular space station, which is set to launch in 2023. The Tiangong-2 is big enough for two astronauts to carry out experiments in it and carries 30 days of life support resources aboard it. The space laboratory measures 10.4m in length and has a diameter of 4.2m. On 18 October, the Shenzhou 11 manned spaceflight carrying Commander Jing Haipeng and Chen Dong docked with the Tiangong-2 on 18 October at an altitude of 393km. Jing and Chen will spend 30 days in space conducting various experiments using the Tiangong-2 Scientists from the Northwestern Polytechnical University (NWPU) in Xi'an, China were one of the first in the world to try to build their own version of the EmDrive in 2008, and between 2012 and 2014 they published a series of papers reporting that they had measured net thrust. However in 2014, they found that the thrust measured was a false positive experimental error due to a power cable, and when they revised the study with an improved EmDrive prototype, they found that any possible thrust being emitted by the device was far too small for their laboratory setup to measure. If this is true, the space race is about to get interesting A model of China's Tiangong-2 space laboratory. The design is the same but it now only carries two astronautsReutersNevertheless, this does not mean that the Chinese have lost interest in EmDrive technology – and it would make sense for the microwave thruster to be included as one of the new technologies that need to be verified. After all, in October EmDrive inventor Roger Shawyer confirmed that the UK Ministry of Defence and the US Department of Defense are interested in using the EmDrive to power space satellites, because a propellant-less rocket engine would enable the military to get close to a target without anyone knowing it was there. In the meantime Roger Shawyer is patenting a new EmDrive thruster that features a single flat superconducting plate on one end, while the other end is a unique shaped plate that is non-superconducting. He plans to manufacture thousands of the devices as part of his joint venture with UK aerospace firm Gilo Industries Group, and hopes that the EmDrive can be used to reduce the cost and time to space, as well as powering flying cars and helping to solve the global energy crisis.