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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (317475)11/10/2016 12:15:52 AM
From: Sam  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541041
 
Have you not noticed that Trump ran on a fairly socialist platform?

I am not sure what you mean by that. As far as I could see, he ran mostly on fanning fear and resentment. Fear of murderous, Mexican and Muslim/ISIS rapists and moochers, resentment of foreigners who somehow are both undeserving lazy buns who don't pay taxes but who come here to get lots bennies and who also somehow take jobs that ought to go to Americans (despite their laziness), so they are responsible for unemployment/underemployment and low wages.

His critique and analysis makes no sense whatsoever. But it didn't matter to his followers. They were just happy to hear a ray of hope thrown their way. I suppose you are calling his tariff proposals "socialist", but aside from the fact that it isn't clear to me that he will get them through Congress, plenty of countries that call themselves capitalist also have tariffs of one sort or another (including of course the US; well, to the extent that there actually are capitalist countries, anyway; I don't think there are any in the sense in which "movement conservatives" mean it; in fact, there probably have never been, but never mind details like that).

What passes for Trump's platform is a mish-mosh of contradictory things (I can't even call them ideas) that he threw out to please his audience at the time. He learned from advertising/marketing that it doesn't really matter what you say, you just have to associate the thing you are trying to sell (in this case, it was himself) with good feelings, laughter, and positive thoughts. If you do that enough, you'll make the sale. Everything else is just noise. Including "platform" proposals.



To: Sun Tzu who wrote (317475)11/10/2016 12:37:44 AM
From: Cautious_Optimist  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541041
 
Have you not noticed that Trump ran on a fairly socialist platform?


Seriously? Trump always spun such messages and never gave specifics.

Trumps idea of socialism is privatization and deregulation. He was all over the place on minimum wages. In the Milwaukee Republican debate he was asked if he would raise the minimum wage, and said, "I would not do it.

time.com

TRUMP:

I can’t be Neil. And the and the reason I can’t be is that we are a country that is being beaten on every front economically, militarily. There is nothing that we do now to win. We don’t win anymore. Our taxes are too high. I’ve come up with a tax plan that many, many people like very much. It’s going to be a tremendous plan. I think it’ll make our country and our economy very dynamic.

But, taxes too high, wages too high, we’re not going to be able to compete against the world. I hate to say it, but we have to leave it the way it is. People have to go out, they have to work really hard and have to get into that upper stratum. But we can not do this if we are going to compete with the rest of the world. We just can’t do it.


CAVUTO:

So do not raise the minimum wage?


TRUMP:

I would not do it.

(APPLAUSE)



To: Sun Tzu who wrote (317475)11/10/2016 10:00:23 AM
From: epicure  Respond to of 541041
 
It doesn't become more socialist by electing a guy who wants to lift taxes on the rich and take away the ACA from the poor. I think you are seriously missing a large component of this election. But Bernie was at least white- so at least racism wouldn't have been an issue for him.