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To: Sam who wrote (317486)	11/10/2016 12:51:37 AM
From: Cautious_Optimist	Respond to of 541063

In battleground states like Pennsylvania and even Nebraska, antisemitism is as common as racism in many wealthy white suburbs. However, popular white nationalist promoters like Michael Savage praise Sheldon Adelson as proof they are not anti-Semitic; and then go on demagogic rants against "Bagel Barbara Boxer" Hooked nosed Barbara Streisand, "Hollywood Jews" and that communist, George Soros. And Bernie Sanders. Ya gotta listen to this stuff to know, or read their books. It is sIt is still hard for me to see the country electing a guy who is a Jewish socialist

To: Sam who wrote (317486)	11/15/2016 9:33:06 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541063

You are right that I cannot prove, nor am I certain, that Bernie would have won the election. But let's put some context and perspective around the events. On one hand we had a misogynistic demagogue who insulted a gold star family, has a wife that posed nude for magazines and worked illegally in the US, has explicitly supported war crimes and multitudes of truly stupid projects, and has a history of bamboozling the working class. To say nothing of his racist utterances, lack of practical experience, and support for war crimes. And you are telling me that being a Jewish socialist is somehow worse than all that? Maybe it is. But apparently so is being associated with the political establishment. The problem with the democratic party is that it has been in denial and is still in denial. When I hear reasoning that blames the election on ignorance and racism, I think George Bush's reasoning about 9/11 ("they hate us because of our freedom" and "they did it because they are evil"). In both of these cases (Dems now and Reps then) the line of reasoning is made to absolve the party of all responsibility and need for reflection. The exit polls show that Trump won 10 percent of voters who approve of Obama’s presidency and 23 percent of voters who think the next president should “be more liberal”. Trump significantly outperformed Romney among union households. He did 14 points better than Romney among whites without a college degree, and 16 points better among households with less than $30,000 in income. The Trump Democrat turns out not to be a myth after all and cost Hillary the presidency. As I pointed out in another post, exit polls also showed that the vast majority of the people consider Trump to be reckless and with poor judgement. The fact that they still voted for him means that they want a serious change in the establishment enough to risk handing the keys to the nukes and the supreme court to a lose cannon than to prolong the status quo. So I do believe that Bernie would have won the election, but that is water under the bridge now. Woven between his garbage, there is plenty of rational policies in Trumps positions that Dems simply ignored. Blaming the election on Hillary or media or racism or ignorance and so on simply prevents the party from reformulating a winning strategy. Dems had better start working on grass roots organizations and plan for real change. Of course it is also possible that Trump will prove to be such a disaster that in 4 years the people will just long for usual run of the mill politicians. But that doesn't mean DNC should not listen to the people. Anyway, too many things call me away from SI so enjoy yourself. I will be mostly absent. ST PS Among Obama's great failures is not filling in the supreme court. I don't care if he had to get NSA to dig dirt on every GOP member or do what - it was a failure of his presidency and if the seat had been filled, perhaps Hillary could have won the elections.