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To: one_less who wrote (981809)

11/15/2016 12:57:10 PM

From: koan

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I'm going to post a column by Maureen Dowd after this one to you. In my opinion everything she says and that article is correct. Here is the thesis, Obama beat Hillary in 08 because he ran to the left of Hillary. That is very important to remember.

And it is been pointed out by Steve Kornacki, among others, that the country has moved even farther left since then. Under normal circumstances Bernie would've beat Hillary in the primary. And I think there's little doubt he would've beat Trump in the in the presidential contest.

But the super delegates and the entire democratic establishment lined up against Bernie, plus the block vote Hillary got from the African-American community, because they trusted the Clintons who always stood up for the African-Americans slanted the will of the majority of the Democrats.

Nevertheless, ironically the entire country has moved left and is left. But the establishment Democrats tried to get the party to move back to Hillary's Center (which was unpopular in 08!) and that was exactly the wrong thing to do. So here's the great irony, we have elected a man far to the right at exactly the time when the country has moved far to the left.

Posted yesterday on another thread:

The only thing I was guilty of was underestimating the rage in the heartland. I admit that I missed that completely. And in retrospect I can see that putting all those liberals up on the stage making sanctimonious speeches was probably the exact wrong thing to do because they/we were all yelling at those poor confused people in the heartland. They saw our demeaning of Trump as demeaning them.

We looked like the insensitive elitist people that we are to some degree. But if you reread Maureen Dowd's column, what she said in there is exactly what I posted here 100's of times. Time and again I tried to explain that Obama left us at the altar. But few wanted to hear that.

And Obama won by running to the left of Hillary , and Dowd is correct, the dem establishment wanted to force people back to the middle, but the country is actually pretty far left on the ISSUES like minimum wage, etc. The country is where Bernie is. He would have won. It is much farther left than even in 08.

I read Richard Wolff's book and Chuck Todd's book on Obama. I posted a hundred posts here that Richard Wolff said that Obama ran an outside game before he was elected and then he ran an inside game after he was elected. And he disband those geniuses that got him elected because he did not want them nipping at his heels when he moved back to the middle.

Obama ran to the left of Hillary on 08! That is an important fact.

And Chuck Todd pointed out in his book that Obama distanced himself from the Democratic Party. He did not want to be seen really as a Democrat. Did not move into the place dem presidents usually move to and

kept a separate organization. He wanted to be seen as a High Plains drifter pulling the two tribes together. Remember: "no red America and no Blue America"--bullshit!

And so he did not help the Democrats very much for his entire eight years. And the pubs skinned us during that time.

Had he kept those geniuses and turned them over to winning Democratic seats at the state level in 2010, we probably could have prevented much of this gerrymandering nightmare. But he never had any interest in doing any of that. Had he kept his campaign promises we would be fine now.

As mentioned, I posted at least 100's of times here and on-Sioux pals thread when I saw Obama turn into Ronald Reagan. In fact Obama took Ronald Reagan's book with him on vacation. The first guy to support me was actually Wharf Rat. He called him a Reagan Republican. But as mentioned, I got banned four times by Sioux Pal thread for pointing that out and once by Chinu. That is how much the dems wanted to hear that story of reality

Ironically it was Sioux Pal that posted that column by Maureen Dowd that said exactly, exactly, what I've tried for eight years to explain on these threads and that is the truth.!

I also read Tom Franks book Listen Liberal that said the same thing.