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To: louel who wrote (125560)	12/1/2016 12:07:17 PM
From: bart13	Respond to of 219712

The second thing is Government employees have higher wage & benefit packages than the people who generate the taxes that support them. Anyone who doubts that is welcome to look at the goverment's ECI data directly for total compensation. ECI

To: louel who wrote (125560)	12/1/2016 12:17:51 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 219712

Parasites, to survive, have to not kill the host or debilitate it too much for the host to survive. Some parasites solve their survival problem by finding some service they can provide the host. Perhaps they kill off more pathogenic bacteria or provide some nutrient the host would otherwise have difficulty getting such as vitamin B12. There's a variety of ways in which parasites can survive and breed. Human parasites who get into government provide enough services to maintain their loot flow. They use various strategies to increase their loot flow. They pick on particular people who can't fight back - such as negroes when slavery was legally enforced, or 1%ers who have lots of money to loot and a tiny vote, or importers or some sector or other. <<Big Government and their workers survive like parasites on the backs of the private industries. That is not to say some of it is not necessary. But in order to keep a Country financially secure there must be limits placed on the size of government otherwise it becomes top heavy with large debt and continual deficits leading to collapse.>> Humans are quite cannibalistic, not just parasitic. They will actually literally eat other people [as Maoris did not even 200 years ago]. But apart from actual nutrition, they will also rob the property of other people if they can get away with it. Mqurice

To: louel who wrote (125560)

12/1/2016 2:28:23 PM

From: koan

Respond to of 219712

You have a list of things you think about government, but you don't have a complete theory of government. That is important. Governments in a democracy are formed by the will of the people. The people decide how much they want to tax themselves in order to have the services they want provided.

When you start saying what private business does in relation to government, you're talking about apples and oranges. Private business is not set up to run a society. And it is not a good idea to have private business run a society, because they are not a democracy. With private business you have no recourse. But with government you directly elect people to represent you and if you don't like what they do, you vote them out. What recourse do you have with private industry running a government?

Think about how it works. At the local level you have a city government elected by the people.. Every major city has a city government because it is essential to having a civilized city. Virtually every city has a city council which runs the city, a school board, elected by the local people to ensure that the teachers are the teachers they want and the courses are the courses they want taught. They have a planning department, because you have to have planning go on in the city.

They have policeman, fireman, emergency medical services, a system for collecting taxes, people who attend the roads, and waters and sewer systems, an engineering department, libraries, parks, public works, and transit systems, airport administration, and on and on and on.

There is no way a private company can deal with that and you don't wanted it to. You want a government that is elected by the people doing stuff specifically for you.

You make a lot of assertions, but nowhere are they scientifically quantified. Do you really know what the cost is of the services that people want, that you want? It has been my experience, that people take government for granted and want a lot of social services, but they don't want to pay for them and they end up in a position of cognitive dissonance. And the rich want small government because they do not want to pay taxes for other people. But they forget they are also paying for a society to protect them.

You talk about things like 40% for this and 40% for that and the government employees have higher wages and benefit packages and on and on. But that is another topic.

For example, do you want to reduce the cost of government by doing away with an emergency medical service system? Cutting back on firemen, or policeman, or city planners? Do you want to do away with personnel that monitor your water to make sure it is safe, food, to make sure people do not put in septic systems next to Wells, to make sure people do not pollute the local streams of groundwater?

The state and federal government have the same responsibilities and needs. It is all very complicated and not subject to a paragraph of concerns. And all the elected and appointed bodies spend much time figuring it out.

Take this statement you wrote below. Is that something you have subjected to quantitative analysis?

If so, can you explain it in more detail?

And what does that have to do with running a government? You say government workers financially contribute nothing. They are providing a needed service, like maybe saving your life by coming ot yoru rescue if you are hurt or injured, or criminals attack you, etc.

"Only Private businesses or their workers actually contribute to a Countries tax base. They produce a product deliver it for a profit. Part of which they submit in taxes.

On the other hand Government workers financially, really contribute nothing.

They live by recirculation. They take their remuneration or wages out of the collected tax base pool, then a portion is deducted in the form of tax. but no matter how much they deduct, the pool from which it came is still smaller. Big Government and their workers survive like parasites on the backs of the private industries

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The trouble with Big government is they take a dollar in taxes, 40% goes to government supporting the bureaucracy and 40% is returned to the people and the remaining 20% goes toward things you did not need in the first place.

The second thing is Government employees have higher wage & benefit packages than the people who generate the taxes th support them. And to compound the problem, majority of the workforce is employed directly or indirectly by Government.

Only Private businesses or their workers actually contribute to a Countries tax base. They produce a product deliver it for a profit. Part of which they submit in taxes.

On the other hand Government workers financially, really contribute nothing. They live by recirculation. They take their remuneration or wages out of the collected tax base pool, then a portion is deducted in the form of tax. but no matter how much they deduct, the pool from which it came is still smaller. Big Government and their workers survive like parasites on the backs of the private industries.

That is not to say some of it is not necessary. But in order to keep a Country financially secure there must be limits placed on the size of government otherwise it becomes top heavy with large debt and continual deficits leading to collapse.

I have always preferred the option of keeping a tight hold on available money supply. It promotes a much more efficient use of what is at hand. Choices are then distinguished between wants and actual Needs