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To: one_less who wrote (985538)

12/3/2016 10:38:01 PM

From: koan

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The only real morality humans have ever achieved has been what humans figured out.

The religions were in complete control for most of human history and life was hell.

When we established a democracy, the rule of law and separated out religion, things got better for humans.

Law itself is morality. And Liberal ideology is more moral than any religion, ever..

Almost every religion is sexist and see gays as sinful, and talks about sin e.g.

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>>> Adam was punished for taking an apple from the tree of Knowledge!<<<

Not exactly. Adam's main job was to explore creation and identify all that he observed. So in that sense he was the first scientist. He was forbidden one area only ... Don't try to claim intelligence of "good and evil" because you will screw it up. Adam was not qualified to define morality.

It was one specific area ... tree of knowledge of good and evil.

We are still trying to legislate morality and look how it screws us up.

I understand why that is a problem for people and since I am not a religious scholar, I'd prefer to leave it at that.

To: one_less who wrote (985538)	12/4/2016 3:02:12 AM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571042

Once again show me where you got that information. If you are going to make statements like that show your reference. I think it was just generally the tree of knowledge and the point the church was making was don't challenge our dogma about what we say is real. That's what the church did for almost 2000 years. The largest threat to the church was knowledge and they did everything they could to prevent anything that opposed the churches teachings The church did not allow people to say anything was different than what they said. It was called heresy and was punishable by torture and death. That's what the deal with Galileo and Copernicus They routinely burned people at the stake, put them on the rack and drew and quartered them for saying anything different than the church's interpretation. en.wikipedia.org The trial of Giordano Bruno by the Roman Inquisition. Bronze relief by Ettore Ferrari, Campo de' Fiori, Rome. ... On 17 February 1600, in the Campo de' Fiori (a central Roman market square), with his "tongue imprisoned because of his wicked words", he wasburned at the stake. Doctors were not allowed to open up patients. Calling Adam the first scientist is preposterous. The first scientists, were the people making tools and improving the way we lived, practically speaking. The church in the Western world ruled for almost 2000 years with an iron hand. All the church did was administer fear and misery. Not caring how people lived in this world and telling the people that they need to worry about the next world. And anyone who challenge that, like Descartes, they killed, tortured or locked up in jail. << Not exactly. Adam's main job was to explore creation and identify all that he observed. So in that sense he was the first scientist. He was forbidden one area only ... Don't try to claim intelligence of "good and evil" because you will screw it up. Adam was not qualified to define morality. It was one specific area ... tree of knowledge of good and evil.