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To: Chris land who wrote (10534)	1/4/1998 11:54:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Chris; I read your post and for myself it holds no importance, so far you haven't been attacking Jews blatantly like some others. So if you feel some how you stole something from the Jewish people so be it. The big problem I see with all this nonsense comes down to pre Death and when one actually dies. It's like some are rushing to the after Death experience and applying it to themselves before the reward is actually given. What is happening at present with Israel is straight out of the Bible God is talking about Jews period and is referring to Israel as a Jewish State by Blood. Putting all pride aside a really true Christian would show a loving hand towards Israel as it exists now but I find that for many the agenda is totally the opposite, it's like certain people wish to steal something that God gave to them (Jews). Yes when you die if a Christian accepts Jesus and are true to there faith they will be grafted in with Abraham and all the rest, but you can't have it both ways, showing a hatred to the Jews or jealousy, or in some notion you think you are going to win Gods attention over them by in effect taking from them and now saying it's yours because the Jews have rejected him is ludicrous. There are many many passages in the Bible were God mentions there turning away but God is nor a liar and will never break a Covenant that he has with the Jews. The Jews have been slaves, tortured , executed ect... but Israel would not exist today but for the mere fact that God has his hand on his people. Just because your are a Christian that does not make you perfect we all sit on the same pot. Yes Chris the rewards are there but don't think that you are pridefully going to face God and tell him how miserably the Jews failed and how you were so loyal to him by showing them what filthy rags they were. Better you than me. Alan

To: Chris land who wrote (10534)	1/4/1998 12:28:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 39621

Of course with feeling like you have stolen the birthright I am in total agreement. My entire life may be one of the least logical on record, and filled with the poorest decisions known to mankind, but where God is concerned, He has upheld His end of the bargain beyond my ability to relate it. I just have this crazy notion that other Christians or people who believe in Jesus Christ and want to callthemselves "Adherents of the Tenants of Jesus Christ the Savior once sent to Abraham the Babylonian before Abraham even knew who He was" is fine with me. My philosophy on another believer is if there is no gross hidden sin in the their lives, and they love Jesus, they become part of my inner circle, FOR SURE! I don't have these exacting and Leviticus like litmus tests they must first pass. In the first place, Alan passed my litmus test as a brother in Christ when I first spoke to him in E.mail. Nancy goes without question. Yet this has been a mugging in the park. If you go from the last singing of hymns weeks ago to the ppost that started discussion on the Jews, you will see that all of this has not been very nice. That's Christian talk. "Not been very nice." Sometimes my understatement seems almost false and I'm putting it on, but I have tried to learn a few things from Shalom about not furiously screaming at everyone every minute. I still will when it is absolutely necessary, however. When Brother Freyland, who has the most refined in the furnace life I have read of. His life is an astounding testimony to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and is like the message in about 10 major movies I've seen about the ability of the human spirit to survive when connected to God. Yet this man, brother Freyland, was soundly thrashed in print immediately for one reason and one reason only--he was Jewish and used the word Talmud to cleverly introduce other Jews to his testimony. Do you really believe I'm just a nut? Or can you perhaps vaguely imagine that if I am disturbed, perhaps it is because the Holy Spirit is also disturbed? To me it is not blasphemy to claim to have a co-meter reader with the Holy Spirit. I have already been instructed by Jesus to use that meter reader to the fullest, and that the Holy Spirit would in fact be with me, abiding in me, and controlling my thoughts to the extent that I will allow Him to. Therefore I do not think it is boasting at all. IT is fact. The only problem is that IF my life is sinful, and I am running around doing this and that and trying to keep prayed up at the same time and still keep the ties going, then to that extent I could no longer depend on my ability to fellowship with the Lord's Holy Spirit. I don't believe that is the case right now, for sure. Of course we are always in a state of some thought pattern that can and will separate us from God, but at this moment my mind seems very clear, thank you. Surely the Holy Spirit has not been happy with this. Nor do I believe He is standing there pounding Emile and Robert on the back for a job well done. I think it has not been done well. That's my judgment call. Jesus said I would be able to tell right from wrong because He had put the spirit within me to do so. And I believe that statement came before He began to speak of THE Holy Spirit very fews days before they closed in on Him. Just interesting things to me. There are few men who have not had a tremendous personal experience with the Holy Spirit who would have remained here to reason these things out after being insulted in such an ungodly manner as Alan. It has been a wonderful study in how it is possible to continually turn the other cheek--a concept that so goes against the human nature. Actually the human nature is to punch someone squarely in the mouth, as we know.