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To: Jack Clarke who wrote (5202)	1/4/1998 10:57:00 AM
From: Bobby Yellin	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116753

biz.yahoo.com anybody care to comment...does this mean China is expanding or does it mean they are short on money or both or something else? major policy change..obviously away from protectism.. these are news reports I am looking for..not words but actions..(watch them take it back :) )

To: Jack Clarke who wrote (5202)	1/4/1998 11:40:00 AM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116753

Hi Jack, good response to issue of "innovation". There is rarely adverse reaction to herbs use and this may be a perfect treatment, like placebo (innoculous substance used as control) for self-limited or histerical illness. The danger is not in use but in delayed diagnosis. Pleurisy is a very good example. In pure form (viral) it was called "devil's grip" for intense pain, it is however self-limited. More commonly it is far more serious, e.g complication of pneumonia-pleuritis or blood clot embolism and can lead to serious problems if not treated immediately. That lead us again to the topic at hand that fads come and go, like filter but gold remains..

To: Jack Clarke who wrote (5202)	1/4/1998 12:19:00 PM
From: Bill Ounce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116753

OFF-TOPIC TANGENT -- alternative medicine/numerology With all due respect, you are knocking numerology and promoting herbalism? I will not knock either Herbalism has emperical basis to work. Every plant is unique, and may contain chemicals that may be good (or bad) for us. The science of pharmacy isolates specific chemicals that we can clinicaly 'prove' has therapeutic value for a specific disease. Herbalism 'discovered' that willow bark was good for certain problems. Pharmacists figured out the active ingredient in willow bark and produced aspirin. In the future, I think these two fields will work together in a complementary fashion. (This has nothing in common with homeopathy which makes no sense at all to me) Numerology is something outside of traditional Western scientific thought. Remember that popular book in 1988 predicting the end of the world based upon application of numerology on the book of Revelation? The 'analysis' sounded really good in its own system of assumptions/faith, but it didn't come true. Think one needs a connection to a higher power to do successful numerology, and this is difficult to prove/rely upon. There may exist people who can really do this, but it's so easy for quacks to set themselves up as experts, I don't trust any of them. :-) Just comments from an empirical perspective. Other perspectives may be significantly different.

To: Jack Clarke who wrote (5202)	1/4/1998 8:51:00 PM
From: Ronald P. Margraf Sr.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116753

Hi Jack, No disrespect noted, after all this is a forum for decussion and debate. Actually I'm not promoting herbalism. Just used it as an example to Bobs post. Although there is a difference between the three. One is traditional medicine and the others are not.;-) As far as knocking it, that is not my intention. One beleive what they want and if it does some thing good for them then more power to them. All I'm saying is that I myself wouldn't put to much into fortune telling.;-) Thats all, nothing more nothing less. Ron ps. (plerusy) well noted ;-) sometimes I write faster then I read.