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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: bentway who wrote (2523)	12/16/2016 11:54:49 AM
From: Steve Lokness	1 Recommendation Recommended By Katelew Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 362160

<<<<<people will have to stop letting themselves be used the way they were in 2016>>>>> Another example of why I think Krugman is an idiot. Now he is blaming the American people for voting the way they did. "Letting themselves be used" What an idiot, the people knew exactly what they were doing. It is like saying American's you are dumb. Another example of a liberal elite being unable to see or understand real America. Stuck in their ideolgical bubble. You CAN NOT blame the voter in a democracy. The blame rest solely on the democrat party. The Hillary problem with her emails wouldn't have happened had she been wise enough to foresee the problem. BUT, it is even worse than that because Hillary looked the American people in the eye and said she handed over all her emails - when in fact she did no such thing. Krugman can rewrite history as he is often want to do - he has to gin up support by stroking the conspiracy theories by the left - but that does zero to improve things in the future. I repeat - for the idiot Krugman - it is NOT this election that democrats need to pay attention to but rather it is the horrendous losses that democrats have been having for a long time. Only a handful of States have a democrat Governor and the losses in the State legislatures has been a one way street to more state control by republicans. Stop whining Krugman and start pointing the finger at the democratic elites who are unable to see what is happening between the two coast. The cost for more democrat losses is too high to play this silly pretend game that Krugman is doing. The world depends on turning things around for GW reasons if no other.

To: bentway who wrote (2523)	12/16/2016 2:05:09 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 362160

I sort of agree with Krugman, but only in this sense. I agree that the information contain in WikiLeaks was damaging to Hillary. For myself, it was actually extremely damaging. When I read the actual emails verbatim--about a month before the election, my disgust with the Democratic party was sealed. I felt betrayed and totally disillusioned and feel sure that many others voters experienced similar feelings. The only question is how many. I, however, see Hillary's loss as a sort of "death by a thousand cuts". A real combination of factors ranging from slightly fewer black voters showing up for Hillary and slightly more white women coming out for Trump, i.e. a string of little changes in what was expected to what actually developed. Impossible to try to reduce the whole election to one thing--in fact juvenile to do so. The truths contained in the emails were just some of the many "cuts". I also see the election as a war of attrition. When the truth came out of WikiLeaks as to the degree of election fraud committed by Hillary and the DNC, it pealed off a certain number of voters. When the Access Hollywood tapes revealed the locker room talk of Trump, it pealed off a certain number of voters. And so on and so on throughout the whole process. If an accusation had some foundation of truth to it, minds snapped shut. Back and forth it went until the day of the election until the victor emerged with narrow margins of victory in several key states. Overall, election turnout wasn't very big. Mainly, though, the Krugman piece is juvenile, written with a fifth grade vocabulary and tortures the truth to make a remarkably unpersuasive case for getting riled up against Putin. The overriding weakness in all this outrage and fear-mongering by the left against Putin is that the truth came out. Those engaging on the right are old cold-war enthusiasts. The whole thing is a nothing-burger in my opinion.