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To: Alex MG who wrote (3369)

12/23/2016 6:36:15 PM

From: koan

Respond to of 354098

You always do such a good job of explaining stuff and always seem to see the issues clearly.

Your ideas about reprimanding irresponsible people is not workable.

The danger of abuse by right wing people who would abuse it to do things like sterilize minorities, e.g, would end up being a right wing tool for hegemony. .

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>>I support protecting Medicare and Social Security. Ultimately, that means a transition toward a different funding arrangement

this is the same propaganda used by the right and Paul Ryan

Paul Ryan lies continually that medicare is going broke and that Obamacare contributed to "it's going broke"

This is a bald face lie... Obamacare extended the solvency of medicare.

SS is an easy fix just by raising the threshold of taxable income that is the cornerstone of it

the "different funding arrangement" you speak of is privatizing it and giving vouchers which basically screws people over

On the other hand, I do think there should be limitations, such as should a 70 year old alcoholic deserve a $400,000 liver transplant because he abused his body, that will give him just 6 more months to live?... should taxpayers have to pay for that?... not imo

Should severely obese people deserve to get taxpayers funded healthcare without some kind of penaty for their irresponsibility?... not imo

oops, death panels

To: Alex MG who wrote (3369)	12/31/2016 12:59:21 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 354098

Paul Ryan lies continually that medicare is going broke Entitlements are trending to be unaffordable (esp. when combined with the debt and future interest payments), and Medicare will become the biggest part of that (its growing faster then Social Security and will likely pass it). Obamacare added to the problem, by effectively becoming a new entitlement. The PPACA law (as distinct from Obamacare, the later being a collection of rules and programs, the former including all of that but also other things tossed in) did attempt to cut payments to medical care providers. If that actually sticks long term (and the history is such attempts do not stick) then it will reduce spending in those other programs (at the cost of worse care for the people in them), but it probably won't stick, and in any case Obamacare added a lot of spending (more than the amount saved even if the limitations on other programs do actually lower their costs), so it adds to the overall problem.