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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: i-node who wrote (3546)12/26/2016 4:18:27 PM
From: Sam  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 354607
 
It is what lots of us felt when Obama was elected. Twice.

We were right.

No, actually, you weren't right.
Bush43 got us into far more trouble than Obama. He was handed the opportunity to actually establish a sound budget that would be able to meet Social Security obligations and go a long way to securing Medicare and instead he wasted it on war and unnecessary tax cuts that did virtually no good. As well as aiding and abetting the largest financial crisis since the 1930s. Really incredible. Yeah, the economy hasn't burned hot under Obama. It has been more sustainable and steady. Frankly, that is much better than hot then cold then hot then cold. Which is what we will get under Trump--and that is a best case scenario. I am hoping that he doesn't start a trade war, which will lead to yet another deep economic crisis.

And in case you want to go off on the CRA thing as being responsible for the financial crisis (assuming that you like that GOP talking point), really, Barry Ritholtz wrote the last word on that):
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And as for Syria and the mideast--
It is pretty easy to blame Obama for what is happening in Syria, but it is also absurd. I know the talking point--if he had only kept xxxxx troops in Iraq, neither the civil war in Iraq nor the Syrian situation would have happened. This is just crazy talk--as if 10-20k troops in the Green Zone of Baghdad could possibly have prevented the Shia under Maliki from seeking revenge against the Sunni for decades of oppression, or prevented Iraqi Sunnis from counter attacking. Maliki wanted to be able to charge American troops in Iraq under Iraqi law and Obama refused to allow this. If Obama had made the opposite decision, he would have been condemned. And if he had sent troops to Syria back in 2011, he would have been condemned. He was in a no-win situation. The core of ISIS was formed among Iraqi military people who were imprisoned in Iraq beginning in 2005-06 according to accounts I have read. The thing that really set everything in motion was the invasion of Iraq.

"You don't know what you are doing," the Saudi King said to Bush-Cheney back in 2002 before the fateful decision was finalized. "You will release forces that you will not be able to control." Or something like that. He knew what he was talking about.


And of course, it is all a distraction from climate change, which will be the biggest issue that our children and, especially, our grandchildren will face in their adult lives.



To: i-node who wrote (3546)12/26/2016 5:28:22 PM
From: combjelly  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 354607
 
and remember there is only one way from here and that is up.

Not really. There are so many things and ways it can all go wrong under Trump. And very few ways we can maintain, much less go up.