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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Rarebird who wrote (4200)	1/1/2017 11:45:51 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 356436

And yet, if it hadn't been for Comey, Hillary would have won, and she won the popular vote Yugely- AND she did it as a woman (first woman presidential candidate ever- for a major party)- despite what you are saying. This election was very close- something Trump wants people to ignore, but you shouldn't. Absent some pretty severe shenanigans, Hillary would be going to the white house. There were a lot of people who liked Hillary better than Trump (and 3 million more of them in the popular vote- which, I get it, no one cares about- but those weren't all "hacks"- unless you think the majority of voters in this country are hacks. Maybe you do. Who knows?) Trump entered a "dialog" and pandered to racists. The dog whistles were off the charts in this election. They were more like dog sirens. Hillary could have, and should have, done more to pander to the whites who felt their jobs were gone and never coming back (though, maybe she was a little too honest to do that- since a lot of those jobs are never, ever coming back). But she thought she'd win- and she would have, if Comey hadn't done what he did at the last minute. It's easy to rewrite the playbook when you're looking backwards. I would have voted for Bernie, though I didn't think he had a shot. And John posted some pretty scary numbers about what could have happened with Bernie- McGovern 2.0. Here's the article on Bernie: motherjones.com

To: Rarebird who wrote (4200)	1/2/2017 12:14:40 AM
From: one_less	Respond to of 356436

Skipping over what Trump accomplished, I want to return to principle. The Dems must have a autotelic set of principles that address what voters want and what voters want to be represented by. They had a set of issues that most could give a head nod to but which did not end in intrinsic value for the cross section of specific voters in the trenches, except in the afore mentioned coastal concentrations, and Chicago-ites. In fact, voters seemed to view their wants/needs sacrificed to some extent to more crème de la crème issues. Insecurities may have also been masked as trust issues which went unresolved.

To: Rarebird who wrote (4200)	1/2/2017 12:32:09 AM
From: Sam	1 Recommendation Recommended By bentway Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 356436

He won because he entered a dialogue with working people and offered solutions to their questions. He offered lies and slogans and slurs. Not "solutions". Let's see how many coal jobs he brings back. How he "drains the swamp." How he puts Clinton in prison. How he deports millions of undocumented people. How he "protects" SS and Medicare, as he claimed he would do. He will do almost nothing of what he promised. He will, however, get taxes reduced. And in the process the deficit will explode along with the debt. We will probably have a year or two of faster GDP growth. But the economy will crash and burn afterward. I'll make it easy to find this post in 4 years-- ***** five asterisks will do it.