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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: TimF who wrote (4322)1/2/2017 4:36:25 PM
From: combjelly  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 357311
 
Well Tim, when someone says they are doing certain things to suppress voters of a particular demographic, I tend to take them at their word. Especially if they brag about how well it worked.



To: TimF who wrote (4322)1/2/2017 4:50:31 PM
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  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 357311
 
Tim, I'm in agreement with you with regards to supposed voter suppression. As for not having a photo ID, not only is it easy to obtain one, I don't know how people get by without one. It seems like I'm frequently asked for mine so some agency, hospital, airline, etc. can look at it and often take a picture of it.



To: TimF who wrote (4322)1/2/2017 5:13:11 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 357311
 
I think some of the reason for folding too many different things in to one idea, for conflation and broad definitions, is laziness or misunderstanding. In other cases its motivated by the desire to stamp out objectionable things that aren't as bad as most things covered by the terms being used. Some of it could be an attempt to create what Scott Alexander calls a "super weapon". squid314.livejournal.com

In particular I think throwing around "facist" and "racist" again and again at conservatives and republicans (and even sometimes libertarians) often falls under this category (of course overuse can blunt the super-weapon, and even weaken responses to actual fascism, racism, or similarly bad stuff should it happen, you get a "boy who cried wolf" response)



To: TimF who wrote (4322)1/3/2017 5:03:21 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 357311
 
I don't think that anything remotely resembling voter suppression made a difference in the outcome of the presidential race. It may have made a difference in state or local races. But my objection is on principle rather than impact.

that would go to false belief more than malicious motivation.

How about felony false belief? Negligent false belief?<g>

There comes a point where self-serving false belief is not excusable, not in public leadership.