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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: koan who wrote (4486)	1/3/2017 3:17:27 AM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 356119

That freedom crap is totally over rated.

To: koan who wrote (4486)	1/3/2017 9:12:57 AM
From: TimF	Respond to of 356119

We have a representative democracy and that is important and we should protect it. Thanks for the non-sequitur. You always do that. Everything becomes an attack against democracy which you then defend. You realize that no one here is attacking democracy, your whole theme here is irrelevant. "In my youth I stressed freedom, and in my old age I stress order. I have made the great discovery that liberty is a product of order. Order isn't the same as democracy. In fact authoritarian governments talk most about order, and sometimes even provide it. In any case neither democracy nor order preclude or are against liberty. Liberty isn't chaos (the opposite of order), and it certainly isn't authoritarianism (the opposite of democracy). It is however more important than democracy in direct terms. Democracy without liberty is two wolves and a sheep voting on dinner. Liberty without democracy may be unlikely, but if it did happen it would be preferable. The fact that its unlikely gives us the main importance of democracy, not as an end to itself (although it might be somewhat of a desirable end goal if not the most important one), but as a way to protect liberty. Not a massively strong one, but certainly better then other forms of government which have been tried. You keep wanting to make liberty the opposite of democracy, as if wanting liberty is rejecting democracy. That doesn't make any sense.