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To: Lane3 who wrote (4621)	1/3/2017 9:35:32 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 354373

motherjones.com The abortion rate has been falling steadily. Women, when given good access to birth control, will usually choose that. Abortions are not pleasant, and most women want to avoid them- whether or not they think a bundle of cells or a tadpole size critter is a "person". The best way to make abortion rare (and to "encourage" people not to use it) is to give women free, easy to access birth control- statistics bear that out- because men are crap at preventing pregnancies, as wearing condoms interferes with their pleasure. But the patriarchal power structure in many states often wants to penalize "loose" women by denying them both birth control and abortions. It's a rather old testament kind of thinking, but there's a lot of that going around (I think if you gelded men for getting unmarried women pregnant you'd probably see a huge drop in abortion stats- but no one is proposing THAT...). Here's some weird thinking for you: heraldtribune.com I get that some religious feel "upset" by abortions, and they should not have them (no one should force them to) but to force other people to remain pregnant, because it upsets someone else's religion, is ridiculous. It's too bad people can't just self abort, like rabbits and armadillos- but we can't.

To: Lane3 who wrote (4621)	1/3/2017 11:48:30 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 354373

Well, that girl obviously was a little odd, even in 1972, and although I may have gotten an explanation at the time I sure don't remember it. But you're right, anomalies are going to exist. Don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying we should outlaw abortion. Only that it seems most people have a preference, as you suggest, for avoiding the situation except at the moment two people need most to be thinking about it. So, I do believe we agree on that much at least. Seems like the only point of disagreement is on whether fetuses can have rights, and whether there should ever be a prohibition on abortion. (Not to minimize the scope of the disagreement lol). Like many people, I don't like the idea of wholesale abortions and see them as a necessary evil. But I just can't get on board with late term abortions because I'm not convinced that human life "begins" at the moment of conception, OR at the exit of the birth canal. As to precisely when, I'm like everyone else and can't really put a number on it. Hence, I think we should err on the side of caution. Not trying to be a fanatic here. I recognize the issue remains unsettled in the eyes of many, including me. So, yeah, it is just my 2c... ;)