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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: KyrosL who wrote (5426)	1/9/2017 4:36:01 PM
From: neolib	2 Recommendations Recommended By bentway KyrosL Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 354322

Yeah, the funny thing is that for a large swath of staunch Republican voters, they already benefit from this. I refer to family farmers who employ lots of seasonal labor. That labor benefits from social programs that cover the low end of income for medical and unemployment, and it doesn't cost the Republican voting farmer anything directly. Instead, the low pay he gives to his workers is converted to a "living" income via national and state social welfare programs, that in all likelihood he bitches about, but benefits from directly. The USA is a very strange place...

To: KyrosL who wrote (5426)	1/9/2017 8:22:43 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 354322

Removing burdens from the companies, and putting it on government... The problems with that (even assuming the government insurance/payment system is just as good for the beneficiary and no less effecient, which are enormous ifs) are that if its payed for in taxes those taxes will bring the burden back, it doesn't go away. FICA taxes would (if they are done the same way they are now) be half officially on the employers and half on the employee. To the extent they are on the employers, well the employer's still paying in direct terms (indirectly the actual incidence of the tax is more complex), if they are being paid by the employee, well if you relieve the employer of a cost and add it to employees than employees will push for higher wages. If you put it in as a VAT then you get a similar result, its either directly paid by the company or its paid for by the consumer tending to put downard pressure on pre-tax prices. As a bonus we should eventually reduce health care costs by about 5% of GDP What makes you think that would happen?