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To: TimF who wrote (5521)	1/10/2017 12:38:20 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 356669

That this fact amounts to a subsidy for the employers is a hypothesis. One you don't support very much. Beyond not supporting it you failed to respond to a pretty good argument against it. You would have to be extraordinarily obtuse not to figure that out, and I did in fact state why. A wide range of social services facilitates a pool of part time Ag workers, which certain types of Ag absolutely require. 25 years ago when I first started dabbling in Ag, the workers for harvest still had a large fraction of whites, including actual Okkies, and most all the workers (including the Hispanics of the time) were migratory, they followed the part time jobs around the country. Further, the majority of the migratory Hispanics of that time lacked legal papers. The first year I farmed at harvest more than 50% of the papers came back as bad (IIRC). That has all changed due mostly to the tightening of immigration that happened years ago. Now, the Hispanic population is WAY up, and its resident, not migratory. The employment is still heavily seasonal (harvest, and winter pruning dominate) so a fraction of the Hispanic population has full-time employment (often by stitching together different jobs from different sources and different times of the year), and of course over time, they diffuse into the rest of the economy, construction being a classic example, but retail is where many of the younger bilingual women end up now. So now a whole gamut of social services, from the County Health Dept, through subsidized medicaid clinics, section 8 housing, food stamps, unemployment, and even as I noted to Lane, the property owning tax payers footing the bill for new schools for the Hispanic kids, all kick in. And this is all 100% the result of a small fraction of the towns inhabitants, the Framers, who howled for cheap labor, and got it, either via illegal immigration to start with, or later through the various "guest worker"/amnesty, whatever, and indeed those farmers have for several decades benefited by having cheaper labor than they could have gotten local whites to work for. The fraction of land owning farmers in my community is likely < 10%, and yet those individuals radically altered the future of this town, benefited from the temporary economy leverage they got, and dumped much of the actual cost on everyone else. Yet you think this isn't easy to see?