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To: James Williams who wrote (10582)	1/5/1998 1:37:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 39621

James; I tend to disagree with you but we are both individuals blood and flesh, if God wanted us to be perfect we all would have been pre programmed and walked around like zombies. I can understand were you are coming from but the fact is that there is Evil and there is Good, there is no doubt that God has instilled his spirit on individuals in this world as well as Satan. True belivers in Jesus are not to lay down and play dead our purpose is to reveal what we feel God is telling us and that's all. If he chooses to use our words and touch someone with the truth he will. Then you may say is what if you are wrong, well that argument goes to all that post here so should all lay down dead and walk away? My only mistake is that I said I was Jewish, it would be much more effective coming from a righteous Christian to convey my beliefs than myself being Jewish and if I wasn't Jewish I would only pray to be one of the righteous Gentile's that's the reason I feel those that see the truth concerning the Jews are the most highly blessed. I will not deny Jesus nor will I walk away without speaking about my convictions in the spirit. Yes the Jews have not excepted their Messiah yet and they have always been a stubborn people, but they were persecuted back in Old Testament and God did smack them hard on a number of occasions, but we are talking about a people that God had made a Covenant with and with it they carry a large responsibility. In todays society it seem more prevalent not good to punish your child, yes there is child abuse but that's what I am not talking about here I am talking about good old punishment, as long as the punishment is not done with anger but love. That's exactly what God choose to do with the Jews, what else can you expect from a loving Father. Than someone will say to me that I am nut's are you saying all the Jews who died in the Holocaust were God's punishment because he loved them? Well I am not going to say how all that occurred we have a combination of Good and Evil there God didn't instigate the suffering but at the same time he didn't stop it either at certain points in time, but sit back and look at this from God's perspective, what is Death to God it is surly different than our perspective of it. Death only releases the soul and nothing less, what is left is just empty shells. The previous post by Chris showing the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD and how the Jews were wiped out, he felt it in his Sprit important to convey this to all of us; 1. A believer sees God's grace. 2. A non-believer........... That argument is very lame for there a Children who are innocent who suffer many horrible deaths, beatings, rapes, torture and I can go on with this for ever. So I will say to Chris what happened to Gods Grace with innocent Children? To me it just shows the true Sprit he possesses but of course that is my opinion. What about Jesus were was Gods grace there? Or you know many of the teachings of many Churches. "If you leave God will punish you" "If you give God will reward you greatly" "Give to God so we can build a cross with Jesus hanging on it" "Give to God so we can bring you entertainment in your home" and so forth. I know I am going to get slammed for this but my sprit wishes me to speak it so I will read the following verses; Mt:24:24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Mk:13:22: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. There are many who speak of miracles in there life, but I wish to set an example of some of the extreme ones, like seeing Angels appearing, and you can get my drift. I feel very strongly that these verses are pointing to people that claim the truth of Jesus (Christianity as well as other belivers) and than tell us of all these miracles like Angels falling out of the sky going into the bathroom and healing my wife stories. Just like the verse says to seduce and we see much of this in Christianity today and you can tell me otherwise till your blue in the face but I have heard stories of rising above my living room and seeing the world to walking through the gates of heaven when I opened my front door. Those are the false Christ's God is talking about trying to get one to believe there theology with all the visions and miracles thrown in. Have you ever seen the man in the Wheel chair in front of a large audience and than for some unknown reason he get's up and runs around like he was healed, I find it ironic they don't pick a man with legs missing but than that would require them to grow in front of our eyes a little harder to do and if they have done it trickery was involved. There is a purpose to speak what we believe God will use the one he chooses and through the words they convey he will find the good in spirit to open their eyes to the truth, he is looking for the lost not the prideful all we are required to do is not deny him and hopefully to use our convictions and beliefs to show the truth to a righteous person who is sincerely searching. That's why I try to be careful what I say and not to Judge anyone period just spread the good news. Alan

To: James Williams who wrote (10582)	1/5/1998 4:30:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

><>.The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart.><> Ps 34:13-18 13 Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile. 14 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it. 15 The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. 16 The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth. 17 The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. 18 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Thank you for your word Father. Have a good evening my friend Shalom...><>

To: James Williams who wrote (10582)	1/5/1998 7:27:00 PM
From: Barnabus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

We lacketh the intellect Thou dost suspect Our low IQ Denigrating Jew We should show them respect Sorry James about the carnality And the need for Spirit-filled impartiality But the flesh dost speak 'Cuz we are weak And refuse to walk away from this "imbecilality" While the "world" looks smugly on We the fighting gloves "don" We throw a punch And watch it crunch And our "flesh" is proud of its brawn For over a year nothing has changed We are acting like we are deranged Since Salvation 'tis by grace When we see Jesus' face We'll reflect on this as very strange Have a sensational, Spirit-led, Spirit-filled, unfleshly week! Jaq