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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (8619)	1/29/2017 2:31:47 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 357365

New Executive Order Demands Immigration Checks When You Leave the US, Not Just When You Arrive by Gary Leff on January 28, 2017 The Trump administration executive order on immigration has most widely been reported to temporarily ban visas for people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen — even for those who have been living in the U.S. in valid employment or student status but who need new visas for re-entry. What’s getting less attention is section 7 of the order that demands immigration controls when you leave the U.S. not just when you arrive. In most countries you go through immigration not just when you arrive, but when you leave too. In the US there are no ‘exit controls.’ When you go to the airport you get off a connecting flight and right onto your international flight, no more security and no immigration. Domestic and international flights leave from the same terminal. The US already gets advance passenger manifests, they know who is leaving. This adds physical checks of each individual passenger on the way out. Here’s the text of section 7 of this executive order: Sec. 7. Expedited Completion of the Biometric Entry-Exit Tracking System. (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall expedite the completion and implementation of a biometric entry-exit tracking system for all travelers to the United States, as recommended by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States. (b) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall submit to the President periodic reports on the progress of the directive contained in subsection (a) of this section. The initial report shall be submitted within 100 days of the date of this order, a second report shall be submitted within 200 days of the date of this order, and a third report shall be submitted within 365 days of the date of this order. Further, the Secretary shall submit a report every 180 days thereafter until the system is fully deployed and operational. Trump can insist on this by executive order because the law already allows for it and has for 21 years. It hasn’t happened largely because of how expensive and impractical it is. Most cost estimates (suggesting under a billion dollars) involve the acquisition of biometric scanners and additional federal staffing, but not the physical renovation of every international airport that would be necessary. <snip> viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com

To: Lane3 who wrote (8619)	1/29/2017 2:37:15 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 357365

I don't necessarily think there is a big need for them. I just don't object to requiring them and don't agree with some of the arguments against them. I think the benefits are real but minimal and often vastly exaggerated, while the downsides are also real (and also often exaggerated). Personally I don't care much either way. Generally when I engage at all on the issue its in response to some of the more extreme and ridiculous arguments made in the discussion rather than to really advocate one side or the other.